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This is a very good point. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 18/11/2009 01:25:25 PM
During the Bush era we had this, in responce to serious diplomatic work by Rice building up a multi-national consensus that Israel didn't like

“In the night between Thursday and Friday, when the secretary of state wanted to lead the vote on a ceasefire at the Security Council, we did not want her to vote in favour,” Olmert said.

“I said ‘get me President Bush on the phone’. They said he was in the middle of giving a speech in Philadelphia. I said I didn’t care. ‘I need to talk to him now’. He got off the podium and spoke to me.”I told him the United States could not vote in favour. It cannot vote in favour of such a resolution. He immediately called the secretary of state and told her not to vote in favour.”


Then we have Obama trying to stop settlement building, which seems to be getting flatly ignored.

So one of the US's closest allies can boast about having the previous President at their beck and call and basically sticks two fingers up at the current one when it suits them.... and people make a fuss that he bowed to the Japanese Emperor and therefore might have shown too much respect?


Though to be fair, there is no fuss. Only within this self-contained post and only because the rest of the board is so boring.
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Why is the bowing a big deal? - 17/11/2009 11:57:29 AM 912 Views
Again? - 17/11/2009 12:07:09 PM 383 Views
Indeed. They should be worried about idiot politicos who call the Queen "vermin" - 17/11/2009 01:16:22 PM 401 Views
Wow, that was a really stupid thing to do by him - 17/11/2009 01:29:51 PM 367 Views
Well, she ain't no human being - 17/11/2009 02:15:26 PM 355 Views
*NM* - 17/11/2009 02:55:22 PM 145 Views
This time it is because he did it AGAIN. - 17/11/2009 01:23:56 PM 417 Views
~dies laughing~ - 17/11/2009 01:37:44 PM 470 Views
- 17/11/2009 01:53:48 PM 303 Views
I don't recall either the Saudi king or Japanese emperor bowing AT ALL. - 17/11/2009 02:13:31 PM 479 Views
Ah. - 17/11/2009 02:18:40 PM 353 Views
Neither did bow - 17/11/2009 06:17:54 PM 321 Views
Right. - 18/11/2009 12:46:35 PM 311 Views
Personally, I would never bow to the Emperor of Japan or the Queen of England. They shit - 17/11/2009 02:03:14 PM 522 Views
The Japanese emperor in particular should be bowing to us. - 17/11/2009 02:14:33 PM 370 Views
There's nothing wrong with bowing! - 17/11/2009 02:27:34 PM 341 Views
I bow to people all the time - 17/11/2009 02:41:36 PM 365 Views
That is your prerogative that you feel the need to bow as a sign of "respect". - 17/11/2009 03:21:53 PM 358 Views
For me - 17/11/2009 03:39:47 PM 339 Views
While I understand your perspective, - 17/11/2009 04:24:36 PM 492 Views
Couldnt it be respect as a sign of acceptance? - 17/11/2009 04:38:02 PM 424 Views
Hmmm. Possibly. - 17/11/2009 05:31:45 PM 335 Views
Ah, I see. - 17/11/2009 06:12:10 PM 336 Views
Are you saying - 18/11/2009 09:49:25 AM 334 Views
Long live respectfull behaviour! - 17/11/2009 02:28:47 PM 340 Views
Indeed. *NM* - 17/11/2009 02:41:59 PM 182 Views
This has nothing to do with respectful - 18/11/2009 04:00:07 AM 325 Views
Some of us voted for someone your size. - 17/11/2009 04:39:30 PM 351 Views
yah, but he came with a lunatic. *NM* - 17/11/2009 05:02:11 PM 152 Views
The person her size managed to win in France - 17/11/2009 08:27:32 PM 403 Views
Okay, that's great. *NM* - 17/11/2009 10:09:18 PM 156 Views
- 18/11/2009 01:30:21 PM 349 Views
if it is a sign of repect why did the emperor not return the bow? - 17/11/2009 06:27:56 PM 329 Views
Well, appearantly the emperor didnt have as good manners. - 17/11/2009 06:31:25 PM 319 Views
The Emperor shook Obama's hand. That's a sign of respect in our culture. - 17/11/2009 06:57:16 PM 354 Views
Your reply shows some ignorance of Japanese protocol between the Emperor and foreigners. - 18/11/2009 12:53:55 AM 361 Views
If the protocol is "thou shalt not bow to the Emperor, foreign dude" - 18/11/2009 11:39:31 AM 359 Views
Hey, it was Tim's argument that the people of Japan would be upset and that one must bow - 18/11/2009 01:22:02 PM 388 Views
I think you're overstating the meaning of a bow. - 18/11/2009 02:37:22 PM 360 Views
And I think you're defending the undefendable. - 18/11/2009 02:55:15 PM 385 Views
Re: And I think you're defending the undefendable. - 18/11/2009 03:12:08 PM 309 Views
I dunno - 17/11/2009 06:47:48 PM 315 Views
On the flip side, - 17/11/2009 08:50:57 PM 312 Views
If I understand you - 17/11/2009 09:01:38 PM 347 Views
How tall is Obama? *NM* - 17/11/2009 10:02:46 PM 222 Views
Too tall? *NM* - 17/11/2009 10:19:06 PM 152 Views
By at least a head. *NM* - 18/11/2009 04:00:46 AM 190 Views
i hate the thought of bowing to any human - 18/11/2009 12:59:24 AM 316 Views
6'1" is freakishly tall?? - 18/11/2009 05:22:12 AM 324 Views
Very much so. *NM* - 18/11/2009 09:18:43 AM 157 Views
LOL - 18/11/2009 09:23:56 AM 297 Views
I think the whole fuss about the level of respect for the President is strange, considering - 18/11/2009 11:58:42 AM 367 Views
This is a very good point. - 18/11/2009 01:25:25 PM 387 Views
Well. That is true. - 18/11/2009 02:54:40 PM 321 Views
It's not. *NM* - 18/11/2009 03:06:45 PM 132 Views
because the conservatives have to find something to bitch about - 19/11/2009 01:33:54 AM 290 Views
Man, I was all excited. I thought this was going to be about the cello. *NM* - 20/11/2009 12:52:11 AM 173 Views

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