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And I think you're defending the undefendable. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 18/11/2009 02:55:15 PM
For you it apparently equates to subservience. For others it doesn't.

Subservient would be prostrating oneself on the floor at someone's feet. A bow is simply a point of respect.



But hey, you're entitled to your opinion. And you can bow to everyone you want to as a sign of respect. I consider it subservience. And prostrating and bowing are the same thing to different degrees for me. Leftovers of a hierarchical period. And I believe in egalitarianism. Therefore, since the Emperor does not bow but others do, it is not about respect when one bows to him. It is about subservience to his position. And I will not be subservient to anyone let alone someone who was not elected and whose ancestors held onto power by dint of being violent criminals.

Also, while you're at it, can you please defend the bow at 45 degrees rather than 15 degrees as is customary for the Emperor. Also, can you defend the not looking into his eyes as well. I really want you to defend both the bow and how incorrectly he did it.
This message last edited by The Shrike on 18/11/2009 at 02:58:31 PM
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Why is the bowing a big deal? Camilla - 17/11/2009 11:57:29 AM 1187 Views
Again? snoopcester - 17/11/2009 12:07:09 PM 635 Views
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Neither did bow MightyYT - 17/11/2009 06:17:54 PM 600 Views
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There's nothing wrong with bowing! Sophy - 17/11/2009 02:27:34 PM 596 Views
I bow to people all the time Camilla - 17/11/2009 02:41:36 PM 624 Views
That is your prerogative that you feel the need to bow as a sign of "respect". The Shrike - 17/11/2009 03:21:53 PM 646 Views
For me snoopcester - 17/11/2009 03:39:47 PM 621 Views
While I understand your perspective, The Shrike - 17/11/2009 04:24:36 PM 788 Views
Couldnt it be respect as a sign of acceptance? Sophy - 17/11/2009 04:38:02 PM 692 Views
Hmmm. Possibly. The Shrike - 17/11/2009 05:31:45 PM 635 Views
Ah, I see. Sophy - 17/11/2009 06:12:10 PM 596 Views
Are you saying Camilla - 18/11/2009 09:49:25 AM 593 Views
Long live respectfull behaviour! Sophy - 17/11/2009 02:28:47 PM 620 Views
Indeed. *NM* Camilla - 17/11/2009 02:41:59 PM 295 Views
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if it is a sign of repect why did the emperor not return the bow? random thoughts - 17/11/2009 06:27:56 PM 611 Views
Well, appearantly the emperor didnt have as good manners. Sophy - 17/11/2009 06:31:25 PM 591 Views
The Emperor shook Obama's hand. That's a sign of respect in our culture. Tim - 17/11/2009 06:57:16 PM 605 Views
Your reply shows some ignorance of Japanese protocol between the Emperor and foreigners. The Shrike - 18/11/2009 12:53:55 AM 650 Views
If the protocol is "thou shalt not bow to the Emperor, foreign dude" Rebekah - 18/11/2009 11:39:31 AM 609 Views
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I think you're overstating the meaning of a bow. Rebekah - 18/11/2009 02:37:22 PM 647 Views
And I think you're defending the undefendable. The Shrike - 18/11/2009 02:55:15 PM 654 Views
Re: And I think you're defending the undefendable. Rebekah - 18/11/2009 03:12:08 PM 583 Views
Look, Tim gave some justification other than respect. He was disproven. End. The Shrike - 18/11/2009 03:40:34 PM 588 Views
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I think the whole fuss about the level of respect for the President is strange, considering snoopcester - 18/11/2009 11:58:42 AM 639 Views
This is a very good point. The Shrike - 18/11/2009 01:25:25 PM 681 Views
Ah, I was assuming it was picked up by the UK media after a fuss in the US. *NM* snoopcester - 18/11/2009 02:54:38 PM 247 Views
Conservative blogosphere, supposedly, but then what *don't* they whine about... *NM* Legolas - 18/11/2009 02:58:14 PM 252 Views
Liberals are not happy with it either. The Shrike - 18/11/2009 03:44:01 PM 669 Views
well, on some issues, he has to contend with the very fractured democratic caucus in both houses imlad - 19/11/2009 08:02:44 PM 588 Views
Well. That is true. Rebekah - 18/11/2009 02:54:40 PM 620 Views
It's not. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/11/2009 03:06:45 PM 253 Views
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