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once you start adding mint or rasberry it really isn't tea anymore *NM* random thoughts Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 10:15:16 PM
It was one of my favorite running jokes 'Studies show that our drinking water contains obscene amounts of dihydrogen monoxide' was always my favorite part, usually by then one of the people in the group had figured it out and looked like they were about to fall on the floor laughing, typically about the same time some know-it-all-wannabe said "It's true, I've heard about that"

Well, on to AGW.

1/2. So, do you believe that humans are causing global warming? Or is it natural?

I believe that humans are currently capable, due to our numbers and industrialization, of having major impacts on the atmosphere and biosphere, intentional or otherwise. The exact nature of that effect is debatable, but CO2 acts as an insulator in our sort of atmosphere without significantly increasing Earth's albedo (reflectivity) - most of the other factors tend to generate feedback, positive, negative, or both and current models do not reliably link the various factors together for solid predicitions, but there are heavy indications that the net effect should be warming.

I like to think of all the various effects as coffee. If you add in creamer, it stays warmer longer, but the lighter color reflects away light whereas black coffee absorbs it, so if you stick it under a very bright light (sun) it becomes a contest as to which effect dominates, and that depends on shape of the coffee mug, brightness of the light, percentage of creamer, etc. Each of the feedback cycles represent different mugs of coffee. In many cases both effects will be dwarfed by other factors, like sticking the coffee out in the snow or on a coffee warming plate. Sort of like having a white car, theoretically a white car moves faster for less fuel when moving with the sun on it's rear than a different color car, but the effect is virtually nil, however if you've seen one of those little whirlie-gigs in a bell jar with one white panel and one black, you will notice that if you flip a light on it will begin spinnning, from that very same effect.

As one might guess, I like coffee. But whatever the net effect, I think one has to acknowledge that adding creamer to coffee significantly alters the dynamics of the system, creame rof course being CO2 in this analogy, which is why I try to think of myself not so much as a AGW supporter as a Artificial Climate Change supporter, which of course mankind has been doing for millenia to greater or lesser degree, a habit we share with beavers, we're just much better at it.

3. Do you believe in global warming at all?

Too simple or complex a question, the simple answer is 'yes, of course, we have ice ages and warm spells after all' the complex answer shifts back into AGW.

4. Do you like iced tea?

It's okay, I need some mint, lemon, or rasberry in it to really enjoy it, and a bit of sugar.
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Do you believe in man-made global warming? - 02/12/2009 06:36:46 PM 932 Views
less and less these days - 02/12/2009 06:47:17 PM 737 Views
Why is that? - 02/12/2009 06:49:13 PM 664 Views
can't stand sweet tea - 02/12/2009 10:14:05 PM 635 Views
Mmm. Brown kool-aid *NM* - 02/12/2009 10:25:29 PM 402 Views
I believe that we are contributing. But I do not believe that global warming is entirely man-made. - 02/12/2009 06:49:54 PM 702 Views
Ditto. *NM* - 02/12/2009 06:51:26 PM 384 Views
Thank you - 02/12/2009 06:51:34 PM 649 Views
same here *NM* - 02/12/2009 11:34:05 PM 367 Views
I don't feel like being in any arguments about it, but - 02/12/2009 06:50:58 PM 715 Views
Re: I don't feel like being in any arguments about it, but - 02/12/2009 07:00:34 PM 789 Views
LOL, I used to screw with people about dihydrogen monoxide poisoning - 02/12/2009 07:13:33 PM 1061 Views
Awesome - 02/12/2009 07:46:55 PM 765 Views
This is an excellent post. Except for the bit on iced tea. Iced tea is delicious in any form. *NM* - 02/12/2009 07:48:23 PM 524 Views
*nod* *NM* - 02/12/2009 08:38:39 PM 401 Views
I must respectfully disagree - 02/12/2009 09:14:37 PM 677 Views
You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 02/12/2009 09:31:30 PM 676 Views
*bows to Tea Master* *NM* - 02/12/2009 09:36:56 PM 407 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 02/12/2009 09:44:41 PM 736 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 02/12/2009 10:11:29 PM 543 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 02/12/2009 10:17:00 PM 742 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 03/12/2009 12:34:49 AM 708 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 03/12/2009 03:14:04 AM 651 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 03/12/2009 04:18:22 AM 706 Views
I surrender! No more Haikus - 03/12/2009 05:00:37 AM 851 Views
weakling!! - 03/12/2009 05:15:31 AM 809 Views
Re: weakling!! - 03/12/2009 05:38:11 AM 944 Views
Issac a problem? - 03/12/2009 07:14:40 AM 598 Views
because that's how the actual name is spelled? - 03/12/2009 01:09:36 PM 673 Views
Um... no it isn't? *NM* - 04/12/2009 06:18:14 AM 394 Views
I used to misspell my cousin's name that way - 03/12/2009 04:13:09 PM 865 Views
It was awesome, though! A Haiku Hijack *NM* - 03/12/2009 05:32:58 AM 402 Views
Wouldn't that make it a Haijack? *NM* - 03/12/2009 10:33:08 PM 376 Views
*NM* - 03/12/2009 11:58:35 PM 410 Views
What Ghavey Said. - 02/12/2009 09:36:06 PM 568 Views
This raises the whole sweet tea vs iced tea thingy - 02/12/2009 09:49:46 PM 778 Views
one can use crap tea for sweet tea - 02/12/2009 09:54:00 PM 612 Views
Valid point - 02/12/2009 10:07:04 PM 696 Views
The problem is that you're one state too far east. - 02/12/2009 10:09:19 PM 574 Views
Not exactly a fan of Louisiana or Akansas either *NM* - 02/12/2009 10:17:48 PM 372 Views
There's no way you can say no to creole food. - 02/12/2009 10:32:06 PM 603 Views
You're right there, even "No! Please!" Doesn't work *NM* - 02/12/2009 10:34:18 PM 356 Views
once you start adding mint or rasberry it really isn't tea anymore *NM* - 02/12/2009 10:15:16 PM 483 Views
1 Doubt it, 2 Suspect it if true (sunspots anyone? ) 3 Indifferent either way 4 No. - 02/12/2009 07:16:05 PM 782 Views
Sunspots are actually colder than the surrounding area, which is why they appear black - 02/12/2009 07:26:26 PM 700 Views
I meant using them as an indicator of solar activity - the REAL cause of climate change - 03/12/2009 11:33:25 AM 580 Views
I see - 03/12/2009 04:19:20 PM 688 Views
Oh boy. - 02/12/2009 08:14:48 PM 829 Views
Re: Oh boy. - 02/12/2009 08:38:17 PM 649 Views
Re: Do you believe in man-made global warming? - 02/12/2009 08:15:43 PM 726 Views
I like this answer, too - 02/12/2009 08:42:16 PM 731 Views
Also, I love tea! - 02/12/2009 10:56:59 PM 594 Views
Tea is awesome - 03/12/2009 02:50:23 AM 644 Views
Ever go to a resaurant and order sweet tea... - 05/12/2009 09:40:53 AM 534 Views
I've never ordered sweet tea - 05/12/2009 04:08:30 PM 673 Views
I think there is both natural global warming and man-made global warming. And thank goodness! - 02/12/2009 08:53:35 PM 701 Views
Isn't it about every 15,000 years that ice ages come back? - 02/12/2009 08:57:30 PM 596 Views
They vary. - 02/12/2009 09:02:49 PM 612 Views
There's nothing wrong with a little snow - 02/12/2009 09:09:40 PM 579 Views
i think the key word there was "little" - 02/12/2009 09:38:42 PM 659 Views
1. No ; 2. Natural ; 3. Yes ; 4. No - 02/12/2009 08:55:05 PM 749 Views
No? - 02/12/2009 09:00:53 PM 535 Views
I don't have enough data. - 02/12/2009 09:59:12 PM 700 Views
Re: I don't have enough data. - 02/12/2009 10:30:57 PM 742 Views
Yes, Yes, Yes, No (in that order) *NM* - 02/12/2009 11:23:07 PM 371 Views
I'm really in this for the ice tea question, but I'll answer all of it. - 03/12/2009 02:38:13 AM 1091 Views
A little lemon is good, yes - 03/12/2009 02:52:53 AM 592 Views
it's not like it's a freaking deity to believe in. - 03/12/2009 03:08:09 AM 697 Views
LOL - 03/12/2009 03:12:36 AM 681 Views
Re: Do you believe in man-made global warming? - 03/12/2009 03:13:19 AM 716 Views
Yes, I believe humans are largely responsible for global warming. And iced tea sucks *NM* - 03/12/2009 05:12:28 AM 457 Views
Bah! So many crazy people here *NM* - 03/12/2009 05:33:35 AM 346 Views

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