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That third point is going a bit far. Legolas Send a noteboard - 12/01/2010 10:06:08 PM
3. Basically, although you probably won't admit it to yourself, the only reason for claiming AAE isn't a language is racism. You can't base such an argument on any characteristic of AAE itself, because not a single relevant fact supports that conclusion. No matter how much people try to dress it up, in the end it boils down to saying that the way white people speak is good, and the way black people speak is bad.

There are lots of dialects and sociolects in English - or in most other languages - that most non-linguists refuse to consider as separate languages. The fact that many of those language variations lack prestige, and are associated with certain groups, doesn't help of course, but that's not the main reason. The main reason is that people (including the actual speakers of AAE and the others) have political, ideological and practical reasons for viewing AAE and other dialects/sociolects as variations of English and not separate languages, because if they were as willing as linguists to see them as different languages, the variations would grow further apart and at some point in the future there might not be a common Standard English anymore. A situation somewhat along those lines exists with Flemish and "standard" Dutch, with the various kinds of Arabic, and I'm sure many other language situations.

So while MightyYT's way of phrasing it was somewhat offensive, I think you're exaggerating by accusing him of racism just because he doesn't think AAE is a separate language - I'm guessing it's part of a general attitude he takes towards all kinds of dialects and sociolects, without race playing any particular role.
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So what EXACTLY is the problem with Reid's comments? - 12/01/2010 04:11:56 AM 1111 Views
it wasn't just that he commented on the lack of "dialect" - 12/01/2010 04:16:27 AM 781 Views
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I agree - 12/01/2010 04:36:23 AM 744 Views
That's what I was thinking... - 12/01/2010 08:52:32 AM 755 Views
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A week or so ago. - 12/01/2010 08:09:09 PM 693 Views
About a day for me. - 12/01/2010 10:33:40 PM 756 Views
Yeah, I'm back in Boston now, so... - 13/01/2010 03:33:38 AM 638 Views
Isn't that the definition of a wigger? A white person who speaks/acts like a black person? - 12/01/2010 09:49:34 PM 717 Views
So black person = N****r? Reid's looking better and better. *NM* - 12/01/2010 10:34:37 PM 330 Views
You know Tim isn't saying that. - 12/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 708 Views
Um, what? - 13/01/2010 06:55:21 AM 695 Views
And the fact that Wigger = White N****r isn't racist at all! *NM* - 12/01/2010 10:33:04 PM 357 Views
I wasn't using the term seriously 9_9 - 13/01/2010 04:26:20 AM 668 Views
The problem is he's a politician - 12/01/2010 04:35:51 AM 782 Views
because that would solve our problems. *NM* - 12/01/2010 04:37:18 AM 321 Views
You know, what IS a good term for black people these days? - 12/01/2010 04:36:33 AM 775 Views
technically... - 12/01/2010 04:39:51 AM 750 Views
i know, right? *NM* - 12/01/2010 06:11:33 AM 328 Views
I just use "black" - 12/01/2010 02:27:16 PM 669 Views
yah, that's what i typically do... - 12/01/2010 02:28:39 PM 741 Views
I agree. Say what you mean. - 12/01/2010 10:03:37 PM 721 Views
How many "black" people do you know that are truely black? - 13/01/2010 05:10:44 AM 664 Views
how many white people do you know are WHITE? *NM* - 13/01/2010 05:26:36 AM 307 Views
Why is it OK to discriminate on the grounds of language but not race? - 12/01/2010 08:23:21 AM 858 Views
Please tell me you were joking... *NM* - 12/01/2010 01:29:37 PM 300 Views
Not in the least. I thought you knew me better than that. - 12/01/2010 09:44:59 PM 670 Views
Ah! You were looking for an active rebuttal - 13/01/2010 01:48:20 PM 655 Views
It is okay to discriminate based on language... - 12/01/2010 01:40:18 PM 752 Views
Your AAE is a language the way that Pig Latin is a language. - 12/01/2010 06:38:35 PM 701 Views
I don't even know where to begin. - 12/01/2010 09:43:21 PM 780 Views
That third point is going a bit far. - 12/01/2010 10:06:08 PM 748 Views
You're right, I was conflating two separate points. - 12/01/2010 10:14:48 PM 685 Views
Well, it still only applies... - 12/01/2010 10:24:08 PM 830 Views
That it was a stupid thing to say? - 12/01/2010 09:49:05 AM 749 Views
this. *NM* - 12/01/2010 01:07:46 PM 326 Views
Who seriously uses the term "Negro dialect" anymore? - 13/01/2010 02:00:15 AM 675 Views
the subject is race. and party lines. - 13/01/2010 05:27:39 AM 654 Views
Powell, Rice and Steele. Just food for thought. *NM* - 13/01/2010 08:12:18 PM 387 Views

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