And for every sob story like this, there's one about a female boss with a chip on her shoulder
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 06/03/2010 10:08:06 PM
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 06/03/2010 10:08:06 PM
when I worked at the dairy, there was this girl, Pam. Pam worked just as hard as the guys and did a lot of the same things (at least, the things they let her do). The "guy tasks" she didn't do were not because she couldn't, but because our boss would not let her learn. When I left the dairy, she was JUST being allowed to do "scary" things like *gasp* feeding the cows. and she'd worked there for two years!! There's no heavy labor in feeding. You move the feed into the feed cart with a skid-steer (bobcat). You push some buttons on the feed cart. you drive the feed cart down the aisles. YOU PUT THE AISLE CHAINS BACK UP SO US PEOPLE MOVING COWS DON'T HAVE LOOSE COWS EVERYWHERE (*twitch twitch
the guys were horrible about this. One idiot did so on the last set of chains that I can't see from the parlor and I lost a dozen cows to the field...and when I hollered at him over the sound of the feed cart to come and help, he swore that he'd see to it that I never worked there again...despite they fact they've been explicitly told to put the chains up and that it is not the milking assistant's responsibility to do so (he was butt-hurt that I was mad at him and his self-righteous ass). and the bad part? Our boss showed such favoritism to the guys (particularly the feeding guys) that it was possible that I might be fired over someone else's stupid mistake, particularly if he didn't give me a chance to tell my side first. Luckily, our boss was out of town that weekend and our manager is much more sensible than he is.
People all over play favorites - this is not some demonstrable symptom of gender discrimination.
the guys were horrible about this. One idiot did so on the last set of chains that I can't see from the parlor and I lost a dozen cows to the field...and when I hollered at him over the sound of the feed cart to come and help, he swore that he'd see to it that I never worked there again...despite they fact they've been explicitly told to put the chains up and that it is not the milking assistant's responsibility to do so (he was butt-hurt that I was mad at him and his self-righteous ass). and the bad part? Our boss showed such favoritism to the guys (particularly the feeding guys) that it was possible that I might be fired over someone else's stupid mistake, particularly if he didn't give me a chance to tell my side first. Luckily, our boss was out of town that weekend and our manager is much more sensible than he is.sure, you could make the argument of "well the guys worked harder and did tougher tasks". The problem with that argument, the only reason the guys did the welding and tractor work was because our boss was sexist pig who wouldn't let girls who grew up on farms welding and hauling tractors do so.
That's an opportunity issue. You can't prove that they would have been paid less for the same work. And there might have been other reasons why he wouldn't let them. so yah, the guys got paid more...but did it have any logical explanation besides the boss's sexism? No...no not really.
That's your side of the story in one particular case. It hardly constitutes empirical evidence. I worked in a store where I rose to a supervisory position. I was never accused of favoritism or unfair treatment or anything remotely like that, but a female fellow supervisor once told me when we were co-in-charge of a very busy holiday shift that she would take care of directly supervising our subordinates and leave me the paperwork in the office, "because you make the girls cry." I never once shouted at an employee, called them names or insulted anyone, and the closest I came to an accusation of sexism was when I put dry ice in a toilet bowl, and a woman happened to use it next. The only fault anyone dared to accuse me of in that scenario was not being more gentle or nicer to the female employees. Sexism goes both ways. We had single mothers and single fathers working there. Guess which was the only gender given slack on attendance issues related to their kids? I worked in a Burger King in high school, and all the male employees were relegated to the kitchen, and the girls were the only ones permitted behind the registers and to put together orders. It had nothing to do with seniority, as that was another job where I rose to the top seniority-wise by virtue of reliability. The only jobs we were ever allowed out of the kitchen for, were taking out garbage, mopping the dining room, cleaning the bathrooms or policing the parking lot. The girls were only sent to the kitchen if there were not enough male employees, and the guys were NEVER permitted on the register or service stations. If there were no customers adn the countertop was clean, the girls were allowed to lounge around by the registers and chat. In the back, at the same time, the boys were being yelled at to mop the floor whether it needed it or not, stock this, slack that, sort those, etc. etc. If it got too slow and they decided they did not need the whole crew, it was always a guy who got sent home and shorted on the hours. Don't give me any crap about females being discriminated against.
Cannoli
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"Sometimes unhinged, sometimes unfair, always entertaining"
- The Crownless
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Deus Vult!
I expect the Pro-Choice crowd will have mixed feelings about this
- 05/03/2010 11:14:42 AM
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So...the next Sino-Indian war is only about 10 years away... *NM*
- 05/03/2010 12:49:24 PM
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A modern day Rape of the Sabine Women!
- 05/03/2010 02:14:40 PM
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I can't find myself disagreeing with this article
- 05/03/2010 01:38:43 PM
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The problem is once you give people a tool they'll use it the way they want to.
- 05/03/2010 04:21:25 PM
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I figure that there are two things that will come of this stupidity
- 05/03/2010 02:13:25 PM
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So, they need to follow South Korea's model. I wonder how this will affect same sex coupling.
- 05/03/2010 02:18:31 PM
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I'll never understand why they want it “safe, legal and rare”.
- 05/03/2010 05:53:50 PM
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some people that aren't quite either are lumped in with pro-choice
- 05/03/2010 06:20:27 PM
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How can one logically be neither?
- 05/03/2010 06:36:02 PM
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Then what is the logical moment where it goes from nothing to full person?
- 05/03/2010 06:45:46 PM
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The beginning of higher brain function, which is after the midpoint of a pregnancy.
- 05/03/2010 06:53:13 PM
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That is a pretty poorly defined term to use as a razor for what makes a human
- 05/03/2010 08:04:00 PM
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I want it rare because I want more thinking beforehand
- 05/03/2010 06:46:26 PM
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I don't think that's what most of them mean.
- 05/03/2010 06:54:44 PM
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heh. what exactly are squiky feelings?
- 05/03/2010 07:24:52 PM
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- 05/03/2010 07:24:52 PM
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"I don't like that. I can't tell you why, it isn't logical, but I just don't like it."
- 05/03/2010 07:27:58 PM
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Why? It's the woman's body, she has the right to decide how to apportion her biological resources.
- 05/03/2010 06:56:44 PM
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Why?
- 06/03/2010 03:33:20 AM
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It is true that some socialist countries force the issue
- 06/03/2010 12:22:21 PM
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that still doesn't (logically) explain some things
- 06/03/2010 03:58:19 PM
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And for every sob story like this, there's one about a female boss with a chip on her shoulder
- 06/03/2010 10:08:06 PM
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- 06/03/2010 10:08:06 PM
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I worked for a company that fast tracked female engineers into managment posistions
- 07/03/2010 02:45:22 AM
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I know, I'm not saying there's not discrimination the other way too.
- 07/03/2010 05:35:04 AM
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I just wanted to see how he got from "less average pay" = "less desirable"
- 09/03/2010 12:09:29 AM
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Also, men retire later
- 06/03/2010 05:28:13 PM
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I don't think that is a general rule
- 06/03/2010 05:54:28 PM
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I'd be hard pressed to find any statistics like that
- 06/03/2010 08:23:15 PM
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They don't make corrections - they search for men and women in the same position with the same stats
- 06/03/2010 09:12:46 PM
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There's a lot that women themselves can do to help the cause.
- 09/03/2010 12:35:34 AM
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I think you overestimate how conscious most women's preference for higher-earning men is.
- 09/03/2010 12:41:55 PM
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