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It might clarify things a bit if I say I've never played tabletop RPGs. Legolas Send a noteboard - 03/05/2011 10:21:34 PM
Depending on what you like, anyway. The original BG was very true to that original tabletop RPG feel. It was more open than BGII, you were constantly trying to figure out what exactly was going on (in BGII/ToB, you are as well, but it's more OBVIOUS what was going on), and your characters were usually some what underpowered on gear. You had to succeed based on your MERITS, and you chose what you succeeded in. It was possible to play for days and barely advance the main story line, and it was all fun. There weren't just "side quests" there were "side stories". It was very true to the original concept of "RPG".

Nor do I really feel any desire to (let me tell you, it makes starting BGII, and presumably BG as well, rather confusing for a while, and I'm still not sure what THACO stands for except that lower is better - the manual didn't deign to explain). But I will admit my favourite part of BGII was probably that long section in Athkatla and surroundings where you have dozens of things you can do in whatever order strikes your fancy, and the best quests are the ones that can be done in different ways. So if BG is more like that, that's certainly a good thing, agreed.

ToB is a bit less fun than BGII, largely for the two reasons you cite (overpowered characters and too linear a plot), even if having ultra-powerful characters does have its moments.
There was more STORY to BGII and ToB, I think, but please do NOT think that BG would not be as good just because it was a sequel. It has a very different feel. You're not a Child of Baal. You're an orphaned young adult trying to stay alive, make your way, make some gold, and maybe, just maybe, figure out wtf is going on. If you get around to it, anyway. Or you can make it a priority. It's REALLY up to you.

I might give it a try after all, then... but it'll take me a while still to finish ToB with my main party and to at least do the main things I haven't done yet with the other one in BGII.
And for the love of GOD please don't compare BG to Diablo. The BG franchise is potentially the best RPG series in existence (and is definitely one of the best) Diablo is a repetitive dungeon hack.

I was hardly saying they were comparable games, merely making an observation that held for both (or I thought so, anyway; I rather question lord-of-shadow's statement about Diablo I though ). Diablo II is a fantastic game and I love it, but it certainly is a different genre from BG, so fair enough if you don't like it.
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So I gotta know if this is happening to anyone else... LadyLorraine - 30/04/2011 01:22:24 AM 872 Views
I pretty much just hear... MightyYT - 30/04/2011 07:57:10 AM 575 Views
you must gather your party before venturing forth Foxhead - 30/04/2011 10:16:34 AM 544 Views
oh god....I hope that narrator makes lots of money. He DESERVES it LadyLorraine - 30/04/2011 10:01:01 PM 533 Views
This behaviour must not continue. Feel the burning stare of my HAMSTER and change your ways! beetnemesis - 30/04/2011 11:43:38 PM 609 Views
the best. Particularly since follow-ups having come CLOSE :rollups: LadyLorraine - 01/05/2011 12:25:01 AM 509 Views
go for the eyes boo, GO FOR THE EYES!!! (squeek, squeek) *NM* ianski - 09/05/2011 06:45:06 AM 240 Views
"Build more burrows." *NM* Zalis - 30/04/2011 11:28:59 PM 285 Views
To me, yes, but then I'm currently playing it, so not as odd. Legolas - 01/05/2011 12:25:17 AM 522 Views
live by the sword live a good long time! Foxhead - 01/05/2011 01:30:21 AM 638 Views
Xzar!!! LadyLorraine - 01/05/2011 04:21:18 AM 535 Views
I've never played the first one - sounds like there are some good lines there too. *NM* Legolas - 01/05/2011 09:44:48 PM 256 Views
...how could you play the follow-ups without playing the first one? LadyLorraine - 02/05/2011 01:18:12 AM 529 Views
I never played BG1 and still REALLY enjoyed BG2. The story seemed a clean enough break to "get it." Zalis - 02/05/2011 01:14:23 PM 481 Views
i really recommend going back and playing BG1 then LadyLorraine - 02/05/2011 04:19:21 PM 562 Views
Yeah, exactly... I don't really feel the loss. Legolas - 02/05/2011 10:50:04 PM 620 Views
BG1>BG2>tob Foxhead - 03/05/2011 09:37:31 AM 584 Views
You have more characters, but they don't participate as much. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2011 11:36:28 PM 539 Views
I certainly agree that SoA > ToB. Legolas - 04/05/2011 09:45:15 PM 527 Views
to put it simply, you're wrong about the gameplay. LadyLorraine - 03/05/2011 01:42:10 PM 571 Views
hi 5* *NM* Foxhead - 03/05/2011 02:16:17 PM 357 Views
BG was AD&D 2.0 and BGII was 2.5, right? *NM* Zalis - 03/05/2011 02:23:06 PM 267 Views
I believe so. Regardless, it doesn't really change much. LadyLorraine - 03/05/2011 04:19:46 PM 507 Views
It might clarify things a bit if I say I've never played tabletop RPGs. Legolas - 03/05/2011 10:21:34 PM 634 Views
Baldur's Gate requires level grinding though. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2011 11:47:30 PM 767 Views
you don't grind Foxhead - 04/05/2011 08:36:12 AM 612 Views
Depends on your perspective I guess. Fanatic-Templar - 04/05/2011 06:49:52 PM 574 Views
patience is rewarded Foxhead - 05/05/2011 09:54:15 AM 609 Views
Re: patience is rewarded Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 07:31:01 PM 475 Views
so does every game, honestly. LIFE is level grinding. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2011 10:15:26 AM 581 Views
That's not true, and you know it's not true - you've talked about playing games that don't have it lord-of-shadow - 04/05/2011 01:18:51 PM 514 Views
by my definition of grinding, yes, games like BG don't have it. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2011 05:41:59 PM 575 Views
No. Specifically, I was commenting on Baldur's Gate compared to Shadows of Amn. Fanatic-Templar - 04/05/2011 07:04:55 PM 615 Views
I wasn't aware you were specifically comaring BG to SoA. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2011 07:43:32 PM 503 Views
Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 12:45:55 AM 566 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. LadyLorraine - 05/05/2011 01:16:04 AM 529 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 02:41:11 AM 580 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. LadyLorraine - 05/05/2011 03:16:08 AM 526 Views
Apparently the archaeologist thing even happens twice, then... Legolas - 05/05/2011 08:45:59 PM 530 Views
I do have the impression that SoA (and certainly ToB) swings a bit the other way regarding mages. Legolas - 04/05/2011 09:40:12 PM 641 Views
Yes. It's not the fault of the games though, they're using D&D rules, so it comes with the territory Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 12:25:21 AM 611 Views
ah, you found the game to be a grind? Foxhead - 05/05/2011 09:08:27 AM 666 Views
Diablo 1 is vastly superior to Diablo 2. Just saying. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 03/05/2011 02:22:44 PM 373 Views
As I said I haven't played the former, but I really rather doubt it. *NM* Legolas - 03/05/2011 10:22:07 PM 258 Views
Diablo 1 wins in the story and atmosphere department. lord-of-shadow - 03/05/2011 10:37:30 PM 548 Views
If you thought they both had a terrible gameplay... Legolas - 04/05/2011 09:41:46 PM 538 Views
Because they're addicting and I'm exaggerating. I have completed both. lord-of-shadow - 04/05/2011 10:04:40 PM 524 Views
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