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No. Specifically, I was commenting on Baldur's Gate compared to Shadows of Amn. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 04/05/2011 07:04:55 PM
So obviously I don't believe every game has grinding.

And I'm not saying all of them were side stories, but there were side stories. They weren't LONG by any means, but they were there. And yah. Mages are squishy. They're ALWAYS SQUISHY. That's kind of the idea. They're generally a rougher class to play than a warrior, which is ideal for those who like to faceroll their fighting.


Not squishy. Useless. Well, quasi-useless. 1 spell per day, 2 if you've specialised. And either terrible spells or save-or-consequence spells. Although Charming Greywolf and using him to destroy everything else on the map is hilarious. But can you give me examples of these sidestories?

BG was very true to real RPGs. You don't always go off on an epic quest the whole time. Sometimes you need extra gold so you go do something else. Sometimes you're not ready to kill the dragon.


Strange you mention that since Shadows of Amn is the game that confronts you with a Dragon you're not ready to kill. Anyway, in what way is "I need gold, better head out into the wilderness hoping to find an employer!" very true to real RPGs?

Of course things like "level grinding" and "fetch/carry/kill" side quests are present. It's an RPG. It's the nature of the beast. What else WILL a mercenary be doing, pray tell? That's what an adventurer is, really. An explorer and a mercenary. It's not like people are going to ask you to fix them gourmet meals for gold. What do you really expect to be asked to do?


It's not that they're fetch/carry/kill quests, it's that they're nothing else. See my reply to Foxhead for details. But as for gourmet cooking, I don't remember any, but there is a guy who asks you to clean his pants.

As far as the main plot goes, I've played through it relatively quickly and ignored the side quests before. It's very difficult to do the later-ends of the plot line if you don't side quest, yes. But again, that's the nature of the beast. If you want to glide through every stage of a game without needing to spend some extra time, get an fps.


So, did you get any xp from killing that straw man?
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So I gotta know if this is happening to anyone else... LadyLorraine - 30/04/2011 01:22:24 AM 921 Views
I pretty much just hear... MightyYT - 30/04/2011 07:57:10 AM 624 Views
you must gather your party before venturing forth Foxhead - 30/04/2011 10:16:34 AM 598 Views
oh god....I hope that narrator makes lots of money. He DESERVES it LadyLorraine - 30/04/2011 10:01:01 PM 581 Views
This behaviour must not continue. Feel the burning stare of my HAMSTER and change your ways! beetnemesis - 30/04/2011 11:43:38 PM 662 Views
the best. Particularly since follow-ups having come CLOSE :rollups: LadyLorraine - 01/05/2011 12:25:01 AM 567 Views
go for the eyes boo, GO FOR THE EYES!!! (squeek, squeek) *NM* ianski - 09/05/2011 06:45:06 AM 261 Views
"Build more burrows." *NM* Zalis - 30/04/2011 11:28:59 PM 307 Views
To me, yes, but then I'm currently playing it, so not as odd. Legolas - 01/05/2011 12:25:17 AM 577 Views
live by the sword live a good long time! Foxhead - 01/05/2011 01:30:21 AM 687 Views
Xzar!!! LadyLorraine - 01/05/2011 04:21:18 AM 582 Views
I've never played the first one - sounds like there are some good lines there too. *NM* Legolas - 01/05/2011 09:44:48 PM 276 Views
...how could you play the follow-ups without playing the first one? LadyLorraine - 02/05/2011 01:18:12 AM 606 Views
I never played BG1 and still REALLY enjoyed BG2. The story seemed a clean enough break to "get it." Zalis - 02/05/2011 01:14:23 PM 530 Views
i really recommend going back and playing BG1 then LadyLorraine - 02/05/2011 04:19:21 PM 614 Views
Yeah, exactly... I don't really feel the loss. Legolas - 02/05/2011 10:50:04 PM 673 Views
BG1>BG2>tob Foxhead - 03/05/2011 09:37:31 AM 631 Views
You have more characters, but they don't participate as much. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2011 11:36:28 PM 603 Views
I certainly agree that SoA > ToB. Legolas - 04/05/2011 09:45:15 PM 586 Views
to put it simply, you're wrong about the gameplay. LadyLorraine - 03/05/2011 01:42:10 PM 645 Views
hi 5* *NM* Foxhead - 03/05/2011 02:16:17 PM 397 Views
BG was AD&D 2.0 and BGII was 2.5, right? *NM* Zalis - 03/05/2011 02:23:06 PM 285 Views
I believe so. Regardless, it doesn't really change much. LadyLorraine - 03/05/2011 04:19:46 PM 553 Views
It might clarify things a bit if I say I've never played tabletop RPGs. Legolas - 03/05/2011 10:21:34 PM 727 Views
Baldur's Gate requires level grinding though. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2011 11:47:30 PM 835 Views
you don't grind Foxhead - 04/05/2011 08:36:12 AM 680 Views
Depends on your perspective I guess. Fanatic-Templar - 04/05/2011 06:49:52 PM 646 Views
patience is rewarded Foxhead - 05/05/2011 09:54:15 AM 706 Views
Re: patience is rewarded Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 07:31:01 PM 543 Views
so does every game, honestly. LIFE is level grinding. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2011 10:15:26 AM 648 Views
That's not true, and you know it's not true - you've talked about playing games that don't have it lord-of-shadow - 04/05/2011 01:18:51 PM 568 Views
by my definition of grinding, yes, games like BG don't have it. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2011 05:41:59 PM 649 Views
No. Specifically, I was commenting on Baldur's Gate compared to Shadows of Amn. Fanatic-Templar - 04/05/2011 07:04:55 PM 685 Views
I wasn't aware you were specifically comaring BG to SoA. LadyLorraine - 04/05/2011 07:43:32 PM 565 Views
Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 12:45:55 AM 655 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. LadyLorraine - 05/05/2011 01:16:04 AM 599 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 02:41:11 AM 635 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. LadyLorraine - 05/05/2011 03:16:08 AM 599 Views
Apparently the archaeologist thing even happens twice, then... Legolas - 05/05/2011 08:45:59 PM 585 Views
I do have the impression that SoA (and certainly ToB) swings a bit the other way regarding mages. Legolas - 04/05/2011 09:40:12 PM 710 Views
Yes. It's not the fault of the games though, they're using D&D rules, so it comes with the territory Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2011 12:25:21 AM 671 Views
ah, you found the game to be a grind? Foxhead - 05/05/2011 09:08:27 AM 724 Views
Diablo 1 is vastly superior to Diablo 2. Just saying. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 03/05/2011 02:22:44 PM 397 Views
As I said I haven't played the former, but I really rather doubt it. *NM* Legolas - 03/05/2011 10:22:07 PM 277 Views
Diablo 1 wins in the story and atmosphere department. lord-of-shadow - 03/05/2011 10:37:30 PM 625 Views
If you thought they both had a terrible gameplay... Legolas - 04/05/2011 09:41:46 PM 584 Views
Because they're addicting and I'm exaggerating. I have completed both. lord-of-shadow - 04/05/2011 10:04:40 PM 577 Views
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