I wasn't aware you were specifically comaring BG to SoA.
LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 04/05/2011 07:43:32 PM
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As far as the mages *shrug* if you don't like them, don't play them. It's really that simple. They're far from useless, they're just difficult to play at a low level. Unfortunately, I can't think of a great example to give to you as far as the side-stories (as I'm referring to them. They really ARE more like side quests in terms of length. I'm just referring to them as side stories because they have more to them than you're generic fetch/carry/kill. they're more interesting than that). I haven't played BG in a long while. One set of interactions/quests I always liked was Minsc's quest to rescue his witch, her quest, and throwing Xzar into the mix
that was always great fun.
You don't head out into the wilderness trying to find an employer
That's part of the "explorer/adventure" part, where you're just hoping to stumble on that damsel in distress, that big chest of gold in a cave, etc...etc... And you don't head into the wilderness to find an employer in the game. Most of your quest givers are found in the cities and anyone who IS looking for them in the middle of the no where is rather silly.
Yes, and one of the best "quests" throughout all games is assembling all the pantaloons into the armor of awesome ^_^
What exactly was the strawman there? The reference to fps games? I wasn't intending to pick on FPS games or anything. I'm just saying that if you DON'T want to spend time leveling, then that sort of game is probably best for you.
Have you ever played a PnP D&D game? The PnP games are what I refer to when I talk about "Real RPGs". BG plays a lot like an old AD&D game, except a little easier because you don't have to think of EVERYTHING yourself and the visual aids and dialogue prompting guide you along.
Not squishy. Useless. Well, quasi-useless. 1 spell per day, 2 if you've specialised. And either terrible spells or save-or-consequence spells. Although Charming Greywolf and using him to destroy everything else on the map is hilarious. But can you give me examples of these sidestories?
As far as the mages *shrug* if you don't like them, don't play them. It's really that simple. They're far from useless, they're just difficult to play at a low level. Unfortunately, I can't think of a great example to give to you as far as the side-stories (as I'm referring to them. They really ARE more like side quests in terms of length. I'm just referring to them as side stories because they have more to them than you're generic fetch/carry/kill. they're more interesting than that). I haven't played BG in a long while. One set of interactions/quests I always liked was Minsc's quest to rescue his witch, her quest, and throwing Xzar into the mix
that was always great fun.Strange you mention that since Shadows of Amn is the game that confronts you with a Dragon you're not ready to kill. Anyway, in what way is "I need gold, better head out into the wilderness hoping to find an employer!" very true to real RPGs?
You don't head out into the wilderness trying to find an employer
That's part of the "explorer/adventure" part, where you're just hoping to stumble on that damsel in distress, that big chest of gold in a cave, etc...etc... And you don't head into the wilderness to find an employer in the game. Most of your quest givers are found in the cities and anyone who IS looking for them in the middle of the no where is rather silly.It's not that they're fetch/carry/kill quests, it's that they're nothing else. See my reply to Foxhead for details. But as for gourmet cooking, I don't remember any, but there is a guy who asks you to clean his pants.
Yes, and one of the best "quests" throughout all games is assembling all the pantaloons into the armor of awesome ^_^
As far as the main plot goes, I've played through it relatively quickly and ignored the side quests before. It's very difficult to do the later-ends of the plot line if you don't side quest, yes. But again, that's the nature of the beast. If you want to glide through every stage of a game without needing to spend some extra time, get an fps.
So, did you get any xp from killing that straw man?
What exactly was the strawman there? The reference to fps games? I wasn't intending to pick on FPS games or anything. I'm just saying that if you DON'T want to spend time leveling, then that sort of game is probably best for you.
Have you ever played a PnP D&D game? The PnP games are what I refer to when I talk about "Real RPGs". BG plays a lot like an old AD&D game, except a little easier because you don't have to think of EVERYTHING yourself and the visual aids and dialogue prompting guide you along.
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So I gotta know if this is happening to anyone else...
- 30/04/2011 01:22:24 AM
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you must gather your party before venturing forth
- 30/04/2011 10:16:34 AM
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oh god....I hope that narrator makes lots of money. He DESERVES it
- 30/04/2011 10:01:01 PM
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This behaviour must not continue. Feel the burning stare of my HAMSTER and change your ways!
- 30/04/2011 11:43:38 PM
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the best. Particularly since follow-ups having come CLOSE :rollups:
- 01/05/2011 12:25:01 AM
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To me, yes, but then I'm currently playing it, so not as odd.
- 01/05/2011 12:25:17 AM
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- 01/05/2011 12:25:17 AM
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live by the sword live a good long time!
- 01/05/2011 01:30:21 AM
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I've never played the first one - sounds like there are some good lines there too. *NM*
- 01/05/2011 09:44:48 PM
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...how could you play the follow-ups without playing the first one?
- 02/05/2011 01:18:12 AM
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I never played BG1 and still REALLY enjoyed BG2. The story seemed a clean enough break to "get it."
- 02/05/2011 01:14:23 PM
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Yeah, exactly... I don't really feel the loss.
- 02/05/2011 10:50:04 PM
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to put it simply, you're wrong about the gameplay.
- 03/05/2011 01:42:10 PM
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It might clarify things a bit if I say I've never played tabletop RPGs.
- 03/05/2011 10:21:34 PM
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Baldur's Gate requires level grinding though.
- 03/05/2011 11:47:30 PM
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you don't grind
- 04/05/2011 08:36:12 AM
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Depends on your perspective I guess.
- 04/05/2011 06:49:52 PM
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so does every game, honestly. LIFE is level grinding.
- 04/05/2011 10:15:26 AM
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That's not true, and you know it's not true - you've talked about playing games that don't have it
- 04/05/2011 01:18:51 PM
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No. Specifically, I was commenting on Baldur's Gate compared to Shadows of Amn.
- 04/05/2011 07:04:55 PM
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I wasn't aware you were specifically comaring BG to SoA.
- 04/05/2011 07:43:32 PM
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Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1.
- 05/05/2011 12:45:55 AM
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Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1.
- 05/05/2011 01:16:04 AM
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Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1.
- 05/05/2011 02:41:11 AM
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Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1.
- 05/05/2011 03:16:08 AM
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I do have the impression that SoA (and certainly ToB) swings a bit the other way regarding mages.
- 04/05/2011 09:40:12 PM
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Yes. It's not the fault of the games though, they're using D&D rules, so it comes with the territory
- 05/05/2011 12:25:21 AM
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Diablo 1 is vastly superior to Diablo 2. Just saying. *NM*
- 03/05/2011 02:22:44 PM
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*NM*
- 03/05/2011 02:22:44 PM
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As I said I haven't played the former, but I really rather doubt it. *NM*
- 03/05/2011 10:22:07 PM
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*NM*
- 03/05/2011 10:22:07 PM
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Diablo 1 wins in the story and atmosphere department.
- 03/05/2011 10:37:30 PM
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If you thought they both had a terrible gameplay...
- 04/05/2011 09:41:46 PM
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Because they're addicting and I'm exaggerating. I have completed both.
- 04/05/2011 10:04:40 PM
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