It was all very well going on about pure logic and how the universe was ruled by logic and the harmony of numbers, but the plain fact of the matter was that the Disc was manifestly traversing space on the back of a giant turtle and the gods had a habit of going around to atheists' houses and smashing their windows.
and countless game overs, tears and walkthrough reading. i finaly finished final fantasy 12. i have to say that it wasn't as good as ff10 but fun none the less.