Are we sure we know that from the last game? I thought the "Harvest" was more of a purge. The idea being to wipe out the species before they can be a threat to the reapers. Steal their resources to recharge their batteries, wipe them out, and start again. I was pretty sure it was just mass genocide, but perhaps I'm remembering wrong.
Well, we did know it was a systemic mass extinction. I'm pretty sure it is Tali who calls it "Harvesting" after speaking with Sovereign on Vermire. What we didn't know is WHY. Why would this race of super-machines just go into the black, wait for life to evolve, then kill it again. Why let it grow in the first place?
Here was the answer... that is their reproductive cycle.
I think I have two big "that doesn't even make videogame sense" hangups.
1) It was shaped like a human. Even assuming the "group consciousness" theory is correct, surely they could just feed the mental data from the mush into the current machines? Is there REALLY a reason to shape a reaper like a human?
2) From all appearances, the liquid mush was actually being used to grow the machine. There were four giant injectors or whatever, and all the tubes led to them. Does metal grow from flesh, somehow? Maybe they need dna or memories or whatever, but why the actual flesh?
Maybe I am just really good at suspense of disbelief, but this was pretty easy for me to deal with. For starters, the reveal here is that, contrary to what ME1 led us to believe, Reapers are not AI, but rather some kind of biological equivalent of the Dyson Sphere that Legion talks about, taking the collective consciousness of a species as well as their genetic markers and distilling it.
How do they achieve that with the Goop? No idea. I actually like that they didn't try to explain how it worked. I was too busy trying to blow the place up to ask too many questions.
Anyway. I guess I'm just annoyed because this whole thing seems to trivialize the Reapers, somehow. For some reason, the all knowing, all powerful, pinnacle of evolution machine gods expend massive resources to create Reapers that look like conquered species. And the method that they use to accomplish this makes little sense and isn't explained at all.
Overall, the human Reaper seemed to exist just for the shock value of turning a corner and seeing a giant metal head.
I still think you are looking at that process wrong. I don't think that the Reapers are designed, but rather grow following the base DNA used to make them. A Reaper is not a super-machine. It is, for lack of a better word, a species Cyborg, the biological sum of a species augmented with highly advanced technology.
Also, You are correct in that this removes some of the awe of the Reapers, but this is important, storywise. In the first game, the Reapers are an unstoppable army, and the Citadel Relay has to be kept closed or game over. It took most of the military strength of the Citadel just to stop Sovereign.
However, it is now clear that the Reapers, as a group, will eventually have to be dealt with. They can't just be an invincible God fleet or the series end would be the biggest let down of all time. We now know where they come from, why they are made, and why they perpetuate the Extinction cycle. Now we have seen where they come from, and what they are. So they can be beaten... it's just gonna be really, really hard.
Eschew Verbosity
Why not? Let's have a Mass Effect thread.
- 02/02/2010 05:02:32 PM
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Character discussion: Mordin Solus
- 02/02/2010 06:28:41 PM
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Mordin Solus is great
- 02/02/2010 08:21:26 PM
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Actually, that's what happened to me too.
- 02/02/2010 08:33:22 PM
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The Illusive man
- 02/02/2010 08:34:09 PM
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I didn't even realize that's who he was.
- 02/02/2010 08:44:07 PM
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- 02/02/2010 08:44:07 PM
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"I'm having trouble hearing you. I'm getting a lot of bullshit on this line." *NM*
- 02/02/2010 09:34:53 PM
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Who is sharing your bed?
- 02/02/2010 09:42:09 PM
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Tali for my male Shepherd
- 04/02/2010 03:52:03 PM
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Does she take the helmet off? *NM*
- 04/02/2010 07:57:18 PM
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I went simple - Miranda.
- 07/02/2010 06:32:25 AM
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Which reminds me that I always wondered...
- 07/02/2010 11:54:14 AM
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You probably wouldn't be able to woo anyone by being a total dick. *NM*
- 07/02/2010 03:32:41 PM
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I was lucky enough to meet the game's producer... (No spoilers)
- 02/02/2010 10:58:59 PM
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No spoilers here either, as per my rules.
Regarding the ammo:
- 03/02/2010 04:51:54 AM
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Regarding the ammo:
- 03/02/2010 04:51:54 AM
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I just want to be part of this....that said, Best Buy is no longer selling ME:1
- 02/02/2010 11:16:51 PM
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Could well be.
- 03/02/2010 04:52:49 AM
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Glad the PC version was $50, at the risk of sounding like a snob.
- 03/02/2010 04:01:52 PM
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Mass Effect 1 vs 2: RPG-shooter vs Shooter-rpg (This is for you, Cymbaline!) (No spoilers)
- 02/02/2010 11:28:24 PM
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The "Holy crap that was awesome" moments. SPOILERS
- 03/02/2010 11:27:55 PM
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Re: The "Holy crap that was awesome" moments. SPOILERS
- 04/02/2010 04:59:54 AM
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Re: The "Holy crap that was awesome" moments. SPOILERS
- 04/02/2010 06:16:29 AM
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Well. . .somewhat, I guess.
- 04/02/2010 06:43:02 AM
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Re: Well. . .somewhat, I guess.
- 04/02/2010 03:32:26 PM
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You know what? I'll actually buy that. I appreciate the explanation.
- 04/02/2010 06:30:37 PM
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A couple of more things......
- 16/02/2010 12:41:19 AM
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Game was too easy, primary plotline too short
- 04/02/2010 09:03:52 PM
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Nice.
I'm playing through on Insanity now, and I think it's a good challenge.
- 05/02/2010 02:17:02 AM
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I'm playing through on Insanity now, and I think it's a good challenge.
- 05/02/2010 02:17:02 AM
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Whats your character build?
- 05/02/2010 02:45:31 PM
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Ok, so male or female Shepherd?
- 05/02/2010 01:50:23 AM
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Hm. This brings up a thought.
- 05/02/2010 01:52:37 AM
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Male for my first playthrough, female for my second.
- 05/02/2010 02:28:24 AM
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Male so far. I plan on playing the female Shepard next playthrough. *NM*
- 05/02/2010 03:25:00 AM
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Your Teams, and Your Deaths.
- 07/02/2010 06:30:25 AM
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Re: Your Teams, and Your Deaths.
- 07/02/2010 09:07:17 AM
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Do you know...
- 07/02/2010 03:46:59 PM
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Re: Do you know...
- 07/02/2010 04:31:29 PM
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Awesome. Thanks! *NM*
- 07/02/2010 04:40:59 PM
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Yeah, that's what I did.
- 07/02/2010 06:37:50 PM
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Hmmm...
- 09/02/2010 03:48:48 PM
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Strange.
- 09/02/2010 04:19:04 PM
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me too
- 13/02/2010 03:01:05 PM
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Did you do Legion's loyalty mission?
- 15/02/2010 05:52:36 AM
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I did, for what it's worth.
- 15/02/2010 07:26:38 AM
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Gah. Then I wonder if loyalty of the rest of the crew has something to do with it.
- 15/02/2010 04:20:13 PM
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I have come across a big problem.
- 07/02/2010 06:53:36 PM
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Want FREE Mass Effect 2 DLC? ME 2! (har, har) Bioware bonus goodies detailed inside.
- 09/02/2010 07:03:23 PM
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Now if only the DLC armors didn't have helmets.
- 09/02/2010 07:26:47 PM
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Of course, the Shotgun is released AFTER I beat my Vanguard *sigh*
- 09/02/2010 11:31:13 PM
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It's nice, but you don't miss much if you already had the Claymore shotty w/ an ammo upgrade. *NM*
- 10/02/2010 05:16:00 AM
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Anyone find anything interesting about Zaeed Massani?
- 11/02/2010 09:08:16 PM
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I enjoy Zaeed.
- 11/02/2010 09:22:39 PM
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I'm near your spot in the story and completely agree. One-sided conversations, but worthwhile. *NM*
- 11/02/2010 10:20:47 PM
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Yeah, I've listened to him alot but it's the same stuff every time.
- 12/02/2010 03:14:11 PM
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Who, what, where?
*NM*
- 22/02/2010 08:18:31 PM
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*NM*
- 22/02/2010 08:18:31 PM
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If you bought a new copy of the game, it came with a code for the "Cerberus Network"
- 22/02/2010 08:22:18 PM
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Is there a way to install the game on the Xbox, so you don't have to switch discs?
- 12/02/2010 01:39:07 AM
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Good ones have two discs, of course.
DVDs can only hold so much. *NM*
- 12/02/2010 02:46:39 AM
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DVDs can only hold so much. *NM*
- 12/02/2010 02:46:39 AM
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This is the first I've ever seen. *NM*
- 12/02/2010 02:51:34 AM
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I've never understood why people are unhappy with the multiple discs.
- 12/02/2010 04:18:42 AM
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So far, so great!
- 12/02/2010 08:35:00 AM
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Re: So far, so great!
- 12/02/2010 02:31:43 PM
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Re: So far, so great!
- 16/02/2010 10:17:12 PM
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Nope, I was referring to honest-to-goodness cheating. lol
- 16/02/2010 11:03:53 PM
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Ahh, I just figured you were on console as I am, so.....the grind will continue I guess
*NM*
- 17/02/2010 06:41:59 PM
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*NM*
- 17/02/2010 06:41:59 PM
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I love the detail put into this game.
- 12/02/2010 02:58:35 PM
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"Our amino acids aren't even compatable so there's no risk if we go natural."
- 12/02/2010 03:15:50 PM
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Re: "Our amino acids aren't even compatable so there's no risk if we go natural."
- 12/02/2010 07:16:21 PM
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"Technically we don't even have sex drives... oh, she is rather flexible...." *NM*
- 12/02/2010 07:20:53 PM
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Female Turians....
- 12/02/2010 09:05:39 PM
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Nope. Don't exist in-game.
- 14/02/2010 01:47:23 AM
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I believe a krogan female is shown once.
- 14/02/2010 02:03:27 AM
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No I don't think that's right.
- 14/02/2010 08:54:32 AM
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Asari
- 15/02/2010 06:51:10 AM
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Not really.
- 15/02/2010 10:41:54 PM
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Though it is fun seeing the asari coupled with basically every race under the sun.
- 15/02/2010 10:54:41 PM
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The final verdict
- 22/02/2010 08:06:12 PM
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By the way, my game was surprisingly buggy
- 23/02/2010 08:49:28 AM
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A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying).
- 27/02/2010 06:40:35 AM
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Re: A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying).
- 27/02/2010 12:28:29 PM
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Re: A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying).
- 27/02/2010 04:57:43 PM
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Re: A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying).
- 28/02/2010 12:34:31 AM
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A vital part of role-playing is forcing the player to deal with the consequences of their actions
- 27/02/2010 11:53:56 PM
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Admittedly, my post was somewhat stream-of-consciousness.
- 28/02/2010 03:28:02 AM
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