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Re: A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying). ironclad Send a noteboard - 27/02/2010 12:28:29 PM
See, here's the deal. When I play through a game with a morality system, it's generally:

First time: I do what I want (usually tends towards good, with a bit of jackass when it gets me more dough, or when it really calse for it, i.e. the beginning of Tali's trial ("Oh, by the way, your dad is dead";)).

Second time: Evil, to do all the jackass things I didn't my first time through.

Same here.

But doing the first round pretty much how you described worked fine for me. A few renegade decisions here and there, mostly only when the quick-button occured, didn't ruin my general paragon score. I can't say I felt I missed out on any options.

Mass Effect's alignment system does not allow proper roleplaying. If I do not choose one alignment 95% of the time, I can lose a teammate's loyalty. And sometimes, even when playing as a pure Paragon, I get jackass points for a line here or there. So, how am I supposed to roleplay when I have to keep considering "will this affect my alignment too much?" This, along with Mass Effect's dialogue wheel's setup (Top = Paragon, Bottom = Renegade), can lead to people not roleplaying, but instead just holding the stick facing top-right, and rapidly tapping X (like my friend does for romantic prospects).

I'll see at the end of my current renegade round if that'll lose me loyalties, although I plan to talk at least semi-decently to my crew and be the bitch mostly with NPCs.
I agree that they should make it less obvious which options lead to which result. Although, since only a short sentence is usually the hint for a much larger reply it would be sometimes hard to decipher which reaction hides behind it, if it wasn't for the position.
*MySmiley*

You mustn't be afraid to dream a little bigger, darling.
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By the way, my game was surprisingly buggy ironclad - 23/02/2010 08:49:28 AM 1204 Views
Huh, I never got that. I only got one kind of bug. Aemon - 23/02/2010 04:06:17 PM 1042 Views
Re: Huh, I never got that. I only got one kind of bug. Zalis - 23/02/2010 04:29:46 PM 1062 Views
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A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying). Kronin al'Sulc - 27/02/2010 06:40:35 AM 1212 Views
Re: A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying). ironclad - 27/02/2010 12:28:29 PM 1048 Views
Re: A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying). Kronin al'Sulc - 27/02/2010 04:57:43 PM 1102 Views
Re: A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying). ironclad - 28/02/2010 12:34:31 AM 1143 Views
I suppose. Kronin al'Sulc - 28/02/2010 03:29:23 AM 1136 Views
A vital part of role-playing is forcing the player to deal with the consequences of their actions lord-of-shadow - 27/02/2010 11:53:56 PM 1382 Views
Admittedly, my post was somewhat stream-of-consciousness. Kronin al'Sulc - 28/02/2010 03:28:02 AM 1081 Views
That's more understandable. lord-of-shadow - 28/02/2010 05:58:59 AM 1099 Views
Yeah, the tradeoff already works just fine. Aemon - 28/02/2010 06:05:44 AM 1107 Views
ok that's weird ironclad - 10/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1113 Views
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