Active Users:330 Time:02/05/2024 05:59:17 AM
It won't be. It's a bondage-fetishist war movie. Whether you enjoy it or not partly depends on you Cannoli Send a noteboard - 24/05/2017 06:13:34 PM

View original post
I mean... Marvel Disney good - but I'm very worried it won't be.

Suicide Squad was so-so for a comic movie,


It was a boring turd, about characters no one had ever heard of, except for Batman & the Joker who were barely in it.
but other than that, DC hasn't had a movie I thought was good since Nolan was directing Batman-only movies, and hasn't had a good non-Batman movie in over 35 years. That's a long dry spell that Wonder Woman is up against.

I thought the Henry Cavill movies were great. Now we have to see if Gadot can work on her own. Or Wonder Woman, for that matter. Batman seems to be difficult on his own. Nolan's trilogy wasn't really about a comic book hero, it was a crime/vigilante story, with a beginning & end, and no set-up for an extended universe. But Batman as a superhero was great in BvSoJ. That suggests to me that maybe less is more for these sorts of characters. Wonder Woman was great in the same movie, but can she hold up alone? Especially in a movie that isn't going to have other superheroes, where she is arguably going to be a bully?

I can't remember where, but I got the impression, from either dates in BVS or promotional material, that rather than having a backstory in the Good vs Evil conflict of World War Two, she's actually popping up in World War One. So right off the bat, she's not going up against actual evil bad guys. And she seems to be joining the people who came into the war on the side of the terrorists who kicked it off. Further, Steve Rogers was only a bit better than human, he's not Superman, and shouldn't be able to wrestle demigods, but as far as I know, Wonder Woman is up on the levels of Superman and the Hulk and the other top of the line people. If she can survive what Doomsday dishes out, how are early machine guns supposed to present a threat? It could be that her challenge is some sort of anti-war thing, what with there being so much ambiguity in the war in question, but then, doesn't that make her responsible for most of the evils of the 20th Century, almost all of which can be traced back to the mechanism by which World War One was ended? There was also a hint of Daddy-issues in the movie, but what I know of Wonder Woman's background was more Pygmalion & Galeta than the usual "Mom boinked a god" stuff. If they make her father Mars, that might explain an anti-war theme in the movie, but that's not really a fun story.

It looks like they are going for a lot of imbecilic fish out of water humor, which "Thor" wisely kept from going to too often. At least two jokes in the trailers seem to focus on her efforts to carry her sword in places where that is not generally acceptable. I mean, when you are strong enough to be a peer of Superman, you NEED to carry a sword to a black tie event, right.

We've also got all the SJW bullshit potential given the material and the day and age in which it is being made. That stuff really killed Supergirl, on top of issues I had with the character and actress. Fortunately, that line from the first trailer about Steve's "slave" seems to have disappeared from subsequent commercials, so hopefully it will go the way of Jyn Erso's retarded "...I rebel" comeback from "Rogue One"

Baring any grievous missteps by the producers, enjoying it will probably depend on keeping an open mind and managing your expectations, especially if you are a fan of the original material.


DC has lots of great characters and great stories. How come they can't seem to put them on the big screen? The DCAU was pretty awesome for a long time...
AFAIK, they are coasting on a trio of wish-fulfillment characters invented around WW2 when people were badly in need of cheap escapism. The Marvel characters were invented a generation later, aroudn the time our culture was discovering irony, and seem to mostly have been the work of one guy who seems to have hit on a winning formula, by giving them weaknesses and problems against which they can develop actual character. From what little I know, Superman spent most of his appearances in print making heroic efforts to conceal his secret identity from Lois Lane. Even having seen all the movies and many episodes of their old TV shows, I couldn't tell you what personality traits Superman and Batman have beyond "good" and "smart" respectively. I don't see enough of a character established between the portrayals of West, Keaton, Kilmer, Clooney and Bale to be able to make a stab at what the character they are interpreting is actually about. McGuire & Garfield present a much more coherent Peter Parker, and even Affleck & Cox seem to be playing versions of the same person in Daredevil (and Affleck's Batman is believable as a version of Bale's...does that make him the best actor of these sorts of roles? Take that internet! ). That suggests to me that Marvel actually had the good characters, rather than stock protagonists, on whom the readers can project themselves.

That might explain the relative successes of the two companies. Superman and Batman got a huge jump in the drama adaptations and might very well have mined everything there is to get from their material by this point, and lack the character depth to stay competitive.

Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Reply to message
I really want Wonder Woman to be good - 24/05/2017 01:23:00 PM 847 Views
I trust nothing with the Zack Snyder name attached. - 24/05/2017 01:48:48 PM 677 Views
but - 24/05/2017 04:17:56 PM 542 Views
Obscure DC comic hero movie that was semi-ok - 24/05/2017 04:18:52 PM 586 Views
They had gold with the show, but they threw that away... - 24/05/2017 05:00:47 PM 542 Views
It won't be. It's a bondage-fetishist war movie. Whether you enjoy it or not partly depends on you - 24/05/2017 06:13:34 PM 589 Views
DC sucks. Marvel rules - 24/05/2017 06:22:37 PM 524 Views
True - 24/05/2017 06:38:48 PM 545 Views
I loved Watchmen! - 24/05/2017 11:27:52 PM 982 Views
That's one I wasn't thinking about... - 26/05/2017 02:09:26 PM 508 Views
Marvel isn't actually all that good outside their origin stories. - 26/05/2017 12:22:19 AM 544 Views
I find Marvel's Netflix shows more interesting than most of their movies - 26/05/2017 12:25:21 AM 545 Views
I haven't found that to be true - 26/05/2017 02:35:38 PM 526 Views
I liked Logan - 27/05/2017 06:25:46 PM 581 Views
Is Marvel that good? They all seem the same. - 28/05/2017 12:18:35 AM 517 Views
Yes, they are that good - 28/05/2017 02:03:56 PM 542 Views
Characters in underwear: - 28/05/2017 04:24:43 PM 620 Views
Funny! - 28/05/2017 04:53:36 PM 568 Views
*whistles* - 05/06/2017 04:54:46 AM 714 Views
Yup - 05/06/2017 05:10:57 PM 595 Views
Five-year old me would certainly agree so - 06/06/2017 02:54:26 AM 597 Views
Sweet - 05/06/2017 04:44:39 AM 645 Views
I saw it this weekend and agree *NM* - 05/06/2017 03:38:14 PM 298 Views
I loved it. - 06/06/2017 04:04:27 PM 570 Views

Reply to Message