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Re: Yes, his attitude. TyrReborn Send a noteboard - 10/10/2018 06:05:40 AM

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We agree that he had a right to be mad - at least, assuming that he is innocent, or entirely convinced of his innocence. Which I'm not quite sure about, but I'll accept it for the sake of the argument.

Though I don't know what his having two daughters has to do with anything.


As a father, he would be incredibly disgusted and infuriated if some man did this exact thing to his daughters. That's what it has to do with it, and being accused of that would rightly make him very angry.



Here's where your argument runs into the ground. It looks likely, though 'incredibly apparent' is rather subjective as I'm sure you'll agree, that at least some Democrats politicians are responsible for manipulating the timing of Ford's accusations becoming public. But after Ford's testimony, which even the Republicans nearly unanimously described as compelling and believable, I don't see too many serious suggestions of her accusations being completely made up anymore. Avenatti's stories are another matter entirely, and Ramirez seems to be somewhere inbetween, but for Ford, the mainstream Kavanaugh defense has been adjusted to the belief that she must be honestly mistaken in the identity of the person who assaulted her.

In other words, while those accusations would have been naturally very upsetting to Kavanaugh, the only part for which he could really blame Democrats was the way they - probably - manipulated the timing to release it at the most devastating moment, instead of releasing it the moment Feinstein caught wind of Ford's story in July. If not for that, he might have had a comparable hearing about a month and a half earlier, except it wouldn't have been as rushed and there would have been less time pressure to confirm him as soon as possible. I'm not sure how much more comfortable that would've been to him personally, though it certainly would've been more comfortable to Trump and the Senate Republicans, who would've been free to dump Kavanaugh and try another candidate if it started to look bad.


Did you watch any of the hearing? The Democrats weren't asking questions to find out the truth; the Democrats were asking questions specifically designed to take the worst possible interpretation of stupid things a stupid high school senior said. I can assure you, right now, with how the Dems took out of context and purposefully blew out of proportion, that if I were being questioned using the same method, they'd absolutely call me a likely murderer and rapist. Why? Because, when you're in high school, you say stupid shit. You make dumb jokes amongst your friends.

I mean, fucks sakes, when my buddies always used to play Halo 3, we had this one map we built, and in it there was this room where several great weapons spawned, and everyone tended to pile in down there and die. We called it the "rape room". I wrote "see you in the rape room" in one of my friends HS yearbook. Was it stupid? Absolutely. Does it mean I'm a sexual offender? Absolutely not. Would the Dems phrase it with leading questions so it made me seem, no matter my answer, that I was a rapist? Assuredly.


For the worst part of it, the accusation itself - well, he couldn't really blame anyone other than his very poor luck to have become the mistaken object of Ford's suspicions. Shit happens.

Shit happens... yeah, so, again, were this not a public office, if this "shit happen"ned, he'd be fully entitled to sue his accuser and their law team for, again, slander and libel. But, since it's for a public office, suddenly his accuser and her "team" are entitled to be completely free of any wrongdoing? Yeah... cause that's fair. And it's totally worked that way for the Republican's in the past.



So uh, yeah, his unbalanced and frankly paranoid attacks on the Democrats, talks about 'revenge for the Clintons' and his overblown rhetoric about how consequential the allegations against him were, were way over the top. They would've been considered unbalanced even for a politician, and if a female politician had gone even nearly as far, her career would've been dead in the water.

I'll give you the Clinton thing was over-the-top, but people say dumb things when they're stressed out, and if any man ever had a reason to be stressed out, it would be a man falsely accused of several heinous crimes, being grilled by public officials whose entire purpose is to ruin his career and life.

But Kavanaugh, of course, wasn't actually supposed to be a politician, but an impartial judge who was nominated to be a justice on the Supreme Court. Unlike politicians, judges are expected not to be guided by their personal feelings or their private theories, but by the facts before them - and they are expected to be capable themselves of the kind of reasonable, mature behaviour that they would expect the accused at their trials to exhibit. Even when wrongfully accused of something they didn't do.

Yeah, no shit he wasn't supposed to be a politician. So why did the Dems attempt to destroy this man's credibility and life? If they don't want a person to be political, then maybe don't an entire party descend on one man in a concerted effort to ruin his life, when by all accounts that actually have evidence, he is an upstanding judge, husband, father, and man.



Nonsense, and it's not only the Democrats pointing out his unsuitable demeanour. In fact, he felt sufficiently ashamed of it himself, or if you want to be cynical was sufficiently persuaded that he needed to look ashamed even if he wasn't, that he went and wrote that WSJ piece to apologize for it. In addition to his personal apology to senator Klobuchar during the hearings. That he apologized is a point in his favour, yes, but it doesn't mean we can simply forget all about it.

I think he did not feel ashamed. I think what he tried to do was rebuild a bridge that a side opposing him burnt down, and he had the grace and modesty to say "perhaps I was wrong, and if so, I'm sorry." Show me a single Dem who has had anywhere near that level of empathy for a person on the other side of the aisle, and I'd maybe agree that he went overboard. But since they fired first, naw, I don't think it was unfair or unbecoming of a judge at all.

I mean, shit, before this accusation even came out, the Dem senators on the committee weren't even asking him questions. I sat there for 4 hours 2 mornings in a row where the Dems delayed the hearings with grandstanding, and, when Kavanaugh was finally allowed to speak, they accused him repeatedly of trying to overturn Roe, without even noting his response, since, after that, a Rep senator would ask him a real question, and the next Dem would immediately ask about Roe again.



The only thing they were 'doing' with Ford was, probably, delaying the release of her accusation. Avenatti's claims may be ridiculous, but they don't do anything to change the credibility of Ford's.

Right. And leaking her confidential letter. And revealing her name after she asked for privacy. And somehow preventing her from hearing that the committee members would meet her in California to hear her testimony privately. And saying, before she even testified, that they believed her and would vote no.

How you can say they "only" delayed the accusation blows my mind. They not only attempted to ruin Kavanaugh's life, they entirely ruined this woman's life. I mean, Idk how I feel about her accusation, but I do know one thing for sure; she was abused... by the Democrats, in 2018.

And the other claims don't hurt Ford's claims? Are you serious? Her accusation comes out, is believable. 2 days later, a ramped up claim appears; he was exposing himself to multiple people on campus! 2 days later, it gets ramped up another notch. Now he's drugging and gang-raping women!

The Dems dredged these accusations out of the pile of horseshit they belonged in, because they believed that everyone would be so enraged, they'd force their senators to oppose him! They did this because, in none of these cases was there the tiniest shred of evidence (you remember what evidence is, right? It's the thing you need to have to prove you're not just peddling bullshit. Like, you know, doctor's and stuff. They have evidence, so vaccines are good things. Not evidence, which is what the Dems had, is the same thing antivaxxers use.), so their entire game was to make the accusations so appalling that everyone would have no choice but to vote against.

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