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That does sound rather disturbing, yes. Legolas Send a noteboard - 23/11/2023 11:55:02 PM

View original postI don;t pretend to nearly enough medical knowledge to weigh in on this issue. The horrific bit is the paragraph in bold (emphasis mine) where the doctor arguing for this procedure is not arguing on a scientific basis or from ethical principals, he is dismissing ethical principles entirely, based on empathy for the transplant recipients.


View original post The point of ethics in transplant issues is to protect the rights and health of the donor. Doctors are supposed to get consults in order to avoid conflicts of interests in their ethical duties to advise on their patient's best interest, while adhering to their oath to do no harm.


View original post This Moazami character is throwing half the duty out because he feels REALLY badly about the patients waiting for a transplant. And the fact that he is using this argument, instead of adhering to a scientific one, or an explanation of how it doesn't violate ethical principles suggests to me that he knows damn well he can't win on those grounds, that it is not provable that the procedure does not shorten the life or cause suffering to the donor, or defensible on ethical grounds.

I do want to point out here that just because the journalist chose to only quote those particular bits, doesn't mean that Moazami only talked about that during the interview. You're talking about arguments he's failed to make - but you don't know that, he might very well have made those too, except the journalist found them less interesting for the article.

As a teenager, I once got the opportunity to interview someone and turn it into an article that was published in a national newspaper here - but I still remember how upset I was when I read the final printed article, in which the editors had liberally edited the interviewee's actual words, turning some of my paraphrases or interpretations into direct quotes and various other changes. I never did find out if the interviewee was also bothered by having words put into their mouth, or if they were more media-savvy than me and had known in advance to expect that. But ever since then, I've been careful not to take written interviews too literally - and certainly when it's just one or two sentences as part of a larger article, like here.

Anyway, all that aside, I don't think it's right that the quoted statements are 'dismissing ethical principles entirely', they are just taking a different view on the ethics of the case? One less aligned with your Catholic view, no doubt, and more utilitarian in nature. But you know, that's what ethical debate is all about, how to weigh competing mutually exclusive interests against each other - in this case, certainly the interests of the donor but also those of the people waiting for transplants. Some people who favour capital punishment might, for instance, not consider it unethical to use death row inmates as involuntary organ donors, or might even want to speed up their execution on account of that. To me that idea is abhorrent, but then I don't think there is a single objectively true set of ethical principles which everybody must agree on...

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We're getting closer and closer to Soylent Green - 23/11/2023 05:51:29 PM 117 Views
That does sound rather disturbing, yes. - 23/11/2023 11:55:02 PM 60 Views
yeah I read this the other day. - 24/11/2023 01:37:38 AM 51 Views
There is a reason I am not a Util guy … everyone take care! *NM* - 24/11/2023 01:54:42 AM 22 Views

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