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I do (not) love the idea of using a large language model to validate an argument though... TheCrownless Send a noteboard - 14/05/2025 10:26:07 PM

Here's what the LLM you used to validate the argument said when I asked it why "Tell me why the cash for clunkers 2009 legislation did not destroy the cheap used car market and force a cycle of purchases beyond the means of those least able to afford the costs associated with new cars?":


The 2009 Cash for Clunkers program did not destroy the cheap used car market or force a cycle of purchases beyond the means of those least able to afford new cars for several reasons:

Limited and Short-Lived Impact on Total Auto Sales: The program induced about 360,000 to 370,000 additional car purchases during July and August 2009, but most of these purchases were simply brought forward by a few months rather than representing a sustained increase in demand. After the program ended, there was a sharp decline in sales, indicating a muted overall effect on auto purchases.

Modest Effect on Used Car Supply: While the program destroyed around 680,000 old vehicles, this reduction in used car supply was relatively small compared to later market disruptions (like the 2020-2021 pandemic-related production drop). Used car dealers remained well stocked, and the supply of used cars was not severely constrained by the program.

Shift Toward More Fuel-Efficient and Generally Cheaper New Cars: The program’s environmental criteria required traded-in cars to be gas guzzlers and new purchases to be more fuel-efficient. This pushed buyers toward smaller, less expensive vehicles (mostly priced between $15,000 and $25,000), which lowered overall new vehicle spending by about $2 billion to $5 billion. This shift meant that many buyers did not move into more expensive vehicles beyond their means but rather chose cheaper, more efficient options.

No Evidence of Increased Financial Strain on Low-Income Buyers: Although some critics noted that buyers taking advantage of the program might face higher insurance and registration costs, there was no broad evidence that the program forced low-income consumers into unsustainable new car purchases. In fact, many who could not afford new cars continued to rely on used cars, which remained available.

No Long-Term Disruption in Used Car Market Prices: The program reduced the supply of older cars but did not cause a lasting spike in used car prices or a forced purchase cycle. The short-term reduction in used car supply was offset over time, and the used car market remained functional without forcing buyers into unaffordable new car purchases.

In summary, Cash for Clunkers mainly shifted the timing of purchases and encouraged a move toward more fuel-efficient, generally cheaper new cars without causing a collapse of the cheap used car market or widespread financial hardship among lower-income buyers. The effects were modest, short-lived, and did not create a forced cycle of new car buying beyond consumers' means.



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This message last edited by TheCrownless on 14/05/2025 at 10:27:59 PM
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I'm From the Government. I'm Here to Help. EDIT added. - 10/05/2025 03:01:36 PM 166 Views
Feel like some of these claims need sources *NM* - 14/05/2025 02:01:00 PM 14 Views
I did the research. Simple enough to fact check. - 14/05/2025 02:59:35 PM 42 Views
I just did, you're wrong. *NM* - 14/05/2025 10:18:35 PM 15 Views
I do (not) love the idea of using a large language model to validate an argument though... - 14/05/2025 10:26:07 PM 46 Views
perplexity.ai disagrees - 14/05/2025 11:31:08 PM 48 Views
You do realise *my* reply was perplexity.ai as well, right? - 15/05/2025 09:27:01 AM 43 Views
Re: You do realise *my* reply was perplexity.ai as well, right? - 15/05/2025 12:41:36 PM 41 Views
I'll be blunt with you, that's not what LLM are for. - 15/05/2025 04:17:44 PM 48 Views
Excellent description of LLMs and their failures. <3 *NM* - 19/05/2025 06:01:11 AM 12 Views
Speaking of unintended consequences - 17/05/2025 04:28:07 PM 41 Views
Did you call 1-877 KARS4KIDS to donate your beaters? - 17/05/2025 10:28:59 PM 41 Views
Re: Did you call 1-877 KARS4KIDS to donate your beaters? - 17/05/2025 10:30:11 PM 41 Views

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