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So I'm back. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 25/07/2010 05:30:42 AM
Haven't missed too much, as far as I can see. As will surprise absolutely nobody, I oppose this massclaiming suggestion. While I do, exceptionally, see some worth in roleclaims this game, it'll do as well with individual under pressure claim as with mass roleclaim. Maybe even better.

Anyway, a look at the remaining players:

Yunalesca and I are freshly reincarnated in mostly unused personas - there's essentially nothing to go on since Hobo and Amys have not participated much in the game, there's little information to be drawn from previous Days. This makes us dangerous, but at the same time experience has shown that absent players are more typically pro-Light (often vanillas, though I make no roleclaim). At the same time, that's no certainty. It's also made worse by the fact that Hobo at least didn't leave from disinterest, but because he was otherwise occupied. Finally, Yunalesca's previous Joker role shows that even people who were initially tourists can change allegiance, meaning that even someone who has demonstrated ample pro-township might have been honest and only become evil afterward. Obviously, there is little that we can do to know any of this, but I'm simply warning everyone to take nothing for granted.

Kylia's actions were suspicious of her being in league with Yunalesca. Now that we know Yunalesca was a Serial Killer, it seems unlikely that they were in fact allied (the Serial Killer role somewhat precludes that) but it's still curious that she supported a move that would turn a townie into a Serial Killer, something that is definitely anti-town. Anyway, I suspect that despite her claims at knowing what Yunalesca's role was, she was in fact wrong and didn't know Yunalesca had turned evil.

Kronin was pretty antagonistic to Isaac about the whole Werewolf thing... can't remember much about what you did, sorry. You also refused to lynch Yunalesca on account that you suspected her of being a Jester, but that's fair enough explanation, especially given that Yunalesca role indicates she wasn't actually affiliated with anyone. I don't recall why you still refused to vote for her after she admitted to lying and screwing over the town for personal power, however. Anyway. Unless you're part of this 'second mafia' Isaac was so confident about, you're probably clean, really.

Darth_Katie has the previously mentioned love-hate relationship with Isaac... interestingly, she also shares Isaac's belief in a second mafia faction. This is interesting, because if she is aligned with Isaac and Talic, that would make them a three-scum mafia. If we assume the same number of mafia in the other faction, we come to six. Add the serial killer, and we have seven scum in a game of sixteen players. That's a lot, but since scum factions also operate against each other, I guess it isn't impossible. Still, I'm inclined to think one of the following: either we have another scum faction and Darth_Katie was definitely not aligned with Isaac, or we have only one mafia and she might be. Of course, both raise interesting questions. Is the reason Darth_Katie believes we have a second scum faction because she is part of one and knows it is too small to be the sole mafia (as I suspect was Isaac's reasoning)? Is her antagonism with Isaac because they suspected each other of being rival scum? On the other hand, if there is only one mafia faction, why one night kill on Night 1, and three on both subsequent Nights? Anyway, because Isaac seemed so confident that we had multiple faction, and because he was scum, I think it is unlikely that they were affiliated - this wouldn't be a ploy by Isaac, the only way to be confident about two scum factions on Day 1 is if you are mafia and know your faction is too small to be alone, it's one of the things that made him suspicious to me from the onset.

Oh, I think the 'let's massclaim' thing is supicious, though I don't think what you said in response to my earlier post was.

White Flame was allegedly the target of the Joker but ex-I was killed instead. There's probably something that should be derived from this, but I have no idea what it is. Frankly, I don't remember much about what you did, sorry. Although, interestingly enough, you hypocopped Darth_Katie guilty and then followed Fox and Ravens' notice of suspicion regarding her. I wonder, did you come in toDay with already some reason to suspect Darth_Katie? Would you care to share? Or was it only a coincidence?

I kinda like Fox and Ravens for his part in getting Yunalesca lynched YesterDay. Obviously, scum would benefit from the Serial Killer's death as well, but it shows opposition to blatant antitown behaviour, so what can I say, he gave off a good impression . Although he also seems to support Isaac a fair bit. The same things that applied to Darth_Katie apply to Fox and Ravens too, however. Either there are two mafia factions and he's not aligned with Isaac, or there's only one and he might be. Hmm. Maybe the second faction is Fox and Ravens/Darth_Katie? But no, Fox and Ravens sounded like he was going to try to get Darth_Katie lynched... Maybe he's with White Flame? They both seem to want Darth_Katie dead... then again, their suspicions are justified.

Napoleon... interestingly, I've had the thought occur to me that he was perhaps attacked by the vigilante mongoose on Night 1, which would surely count as a 'beast'. This would be interesting to a lesser extent because it means BlackAdder suspected Napoleon of being scum, but to the greater extent because it means there was no reported scum attack on Night 1. Even considering that Yunalesca was not yet a Serial Killer, I wonder why there would be no night kill from the mafia, especially if we have two? Of course, I could be mistaken and there is simply another beast out there.

Also, stuff that I'd like to keep within reach, voting records for living players:

Day 1, lynch of townie Kronin

White Flame of Tar Valon
Napoleon62
Darth_Katie
Fox and Ravens

Day 2, attempted lynch of suicidal Yunalesca

Darth_Katie and the Chair
Fox and Ravens
White Flame of Tar Valon



Fanatic-Templar
White Flame of Tar Valon
Fox and Ravens
Darth_Katie

Well, there isn't much variance there, really . Though I do expect that at least one of Darth_Katie, Fox and Ravens or White Flame of Tar Valon is scum.
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RAFO Mafia 17, Day 4: Here We Go Again - 17/07/2010 09:39:09 PM 2405 Views
Vote Table - 17/07/2010 09:40:41 PM 1285 Views
Napoleon isn't inactive? - 18/07/2010 04:21:24 AM 1082 Views
Re: RAFO Mafia 17, Day 4: Here We Go Again - 17/07/2010 09:50:09 PM 1249 Views
Hypocop Table - 17/07/2010 09:52:26 PM 1178 Views
I found DK to be guilty *NM* - 17/07/2010 09:52:45 PM 803 Views
I found Kronin al'Sulc to be innocent. *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:22:34 AM 668 Views
Kylia - Dirty *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:35:04 AM 763 Views
BlackAdder - innocent *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:45:20 AM 847 Views
I found White Flame to be innocent. *NM* - 18/07/2010 05:26:30 AM 650 Views
Don't care if I'm dead- I TOTALLY called Talic. - 18/07/2010 01:55:01 AM 1206 Views
Maybe you'll be able to replace... someone - 18/07/2010 02:45:53 AM 1174 Views
Nah, Watcher gives me extra info... - 18/07/2010 04:10:10 AM 1058 Views
That was the first thing I noticed, too . *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:23:30 AM 776 Views
Hahaha. yes. You did call that one very well. *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:34:22 AM 665 Views
Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. Way to be! *NM* - 18/07/2010 04:43:41 AM 774 Views
Wow.... great call. *NM* - 18/07/2010 05:25:53 AM 637 Views
Yeah I call shenanigans; also the Langoliers need to stop eating all the scum >.< *NM* - 18/07/2010 12:37:25 PM 1059 Views
*resurrects* - 22/07/2010 01:03:01 AM 1142 Views
so what are we doing today? - 18/07/2010 09:21:49 PM 1067 Views
Alrighty, what are we going to do now? - 18/07/2010 09:31:44 PM 1308 Views
Faction, not fraction. - 18/07/2010 09:59:12 PM 1336 Views
Whoops ... I always almost do that and then fix it at the last minute. - 19/07/2010 09:38:55 PM 1144 Views
Re: Whoops ... I always almost do that and then fix it at the last minute. - 20/07/2010 05:11:24 AM 1257 Views
I meant that there's a possibility he was bluffing. - 20/07/2010 01:05:48 PM 1249 Views
Understandable now that you explained yourself...but it still irks me. *NM* - 21/07/2010 05:52:30 AM 587 Views
Beet's hypocops - 19/07/2010 05:05:53 AM 1147 Views
Re: Beet's hypocops - 19/07/2010 08:53:09 AM 1237 Views
As much as I love the word "moot" - 19/07/2010 09:35:00 PM 1213 Views
RBIRL - 21/07/2010 06:15:35 PM 1128 Views
what now? - 22/07/2010 02:25:48 AM 1155 Views
I agree - 22/07/2010 05:21:39 AM 1268 Views
Okay, first of all - 23/07/2010 07:50:23 AM 1138 Views
In theory it is necessary to actually post to properly play the game - 23/07/2010 12:00:08 AM 1050 Views
i think everyone lost their zeal when the primary poster died - 23/07/2010 12:24:32 AM 1175 Views
LOL, DK's still alive - 23/07/2010 12:53:21 AM 1197 Views
VICTORY IS MINE!!!!! - 23/07/2010 01:03:03 AM 1263 Views
Whoa, go me! - 23/07/2010 03:46:59 AM 1189 Views
Sorry - 23/07/2010 12:31:46 AM 1165 Views
Maybe we should mass claim? - 23/07/2010 01:11:50 AM 1168 Views
Meh, why not. - 23/07/2010 03:58:14 AM 1081 Views
Re: Meh, why not. - 23/07/2010 04:45:03 AM 1164 Views
Shrugs. - 23/07/2010 07:21:51 AM 1214 Views
disagree - 23/07/2010 10:03:48 AM 1132 Views
Alright. - 23/07/2010 03:03:16 PM 1181 Views
Re: Alright. - 23/07/2010 07:52:18 PM 1158 Views
Fanatic-Templar has been elected Chair. *NM* - 23/07/2010 11:04:21 AM 757 Views
Okay so... - 24/07/2010 04:58:31 AM 1053 Views
Re: Okay so... - 24/07/2010 03:47:58 PM 1187 Views
Yeah, sounds like it. - 24/07/2010 03:51:46 PM 1120 Views
I think so too... - 24/07/2010 05:34:24 PM 1136 Views
I guess Talic being Captain Morgan that makes sense. - 24/07/2010 07:48:38 PM 1110 Views
Re: I guess Talic being Captain Morgan that makes sense. - 24/07/2010 10:37:31 PM 1204 Views
Huh, that seems a little counterintuitive. - 24/07/2010 10:43:27 PM 1071 Views
Re: Huh, that seems a little counterintuitive. - 25/07/2010 12:50:44 AM 1031 Views
True. - 25/07/2010 06:16:18 AM 1069 Views
Yuna was your own doing. - 25/07/2010 06:27:33 AM 973 Views
Did you have a say about whether or not to go in or was it decided by the mod? *NM* - 25/07/2010 05:10:28 AM 700 Views
Mod decided. *NM* - 25/07/2010 06:39:32 AM 654 Views
So I'm back. - 25/07/2010 05:30:42 AM 1118 Views
Re: massclaiming - 25/07/2010 06:22:37 AM 1135 Views
Re: So I'm back. - 25/07/2010 06:38:51 AM 1040 Views
Yes, that's the point. - 25/07/2010 07:08:26 AM 1094 Views
Re: Yes, that's the point. - 25/07/2010 07:21:07 AM 1109 Views
And you still didn't support lynching her then, is my point. - 25/07/2010 06:10:32 PM 1023 Views
Well, since I haven't taken part in a single vote thus far,can you really hold that against me? *NM* - 27/07/2010 09:28:14 AM 678 Views
Yes. *NM* - 27/07/2010 01:04:10 PM 715 Views
*NM* - 28/07/2010 11:24:37 PM 707 Views
Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. *NM* - 25/07/2010 06:48:47 AM 674 Views
Re: Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. - 25/07/2010 01:51:27 PM 1137 Views
Re: Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. - 25/07/2010 03:27:14 PM 1193 Views
yep, thanks - 25/07/2010 07:31:44 PM 1067 Views
Re: So I'm back. - 25/07/2010 01:50:54 PM 1098 Views
I don't have a problem claiming. - 25/07/2010 05:34:38 PM 1122 Views
what? - 25/07/2010 05:54:56 PM 979 Views
That would actually be dead character knowledge, I think. - 25/07/2010 06:13:15 PM 1072 Views
i didn't know that - 25/07/2010 06:33:24 PM 909 Views
Just shush about it, hope you don't get modkilled. - 25/07/2010 07:32:56 PM 1008 Views
I will if Ranagrande asks me to. - 26/07/2010 02:23:18 AM 926 Views
Yea, that was as much a message to you as a reminder to him. - 26/07/2010 02:25:56 AM 1133 Views
It's all good - 26/07/2010 03:49:35 AM 1072 Views
Re: i didn't know that - 25/07/2010 07:33:40 PM 1126 Views
Yeah, but you could have been lying. - 26/07/2010 02:22:37 AM 1130 Views
I felt like it was past time I got back into this game. - 29/07/2010 12:48:57 AM 1139 Views
Re: I felt like it was past time I got back into this game. - 29/07/2010 02:15:31 AM 1144 Views
One detail... - 29/07/2010 02:43:45 AM 1080 Views
Re: One detail... - 29/07/2010 03:14:38 AM 1212 Views
This is one of the reasons I like my laptop ... - 29/07/2010 03:20:50 AM 1200 Views
Theoretically - 29/07/2010 03:22:35 AM 1146 Views
Generally speaking, yes. - 29/07/2010 07:46:34 PM 1081 Views
Re: I felt like it was past time I got back into this game. - 29/07/2010 04:40:55 AM 1256 Views
I would just like to note. - 29/07/2010 04:43:44 AM 1168 Views
Re: I would just like to note. - 29/07/2010 04:56:21 AM 1060 Views
- 29/07/2010 02:36:49 PM 1064 Views
Except Yesterday? - 29/07/2010 06:31:22 PM 1017 Views
*nods* - 29/07/2010 08:11:35 PM 995 Views
Re: *nods* - 30/07/2010 03:38:36 AM 1053 Views
Even if Yuna was telling the truth, she claimed to be Jack Kerr. - 30/07/2010 03:45:25 AM 1116 Views
Re: Even if Yuna was telling the truth, she claimed to be Jack Kerr. - 30/07/2010 04:51:56 AM 1018 Views
Doesn't matter what she claimed to be. - 30/07/2010 04:08:55 PM 1179 Views
TBF, my char is dead now, so shut up about it *NM* - 30/07/2010 05:15:25 PM 723 Views
No offense to you. - 30/07/2010 09:45:21 PM 1142 Views
Re: No offense to you. - 31/07/2010 12:12:59 AM 1182 Views
Shh. I get confused a lot. - 31/07/2010 05:25:37 AM 1121 Views
Sorry, Yuna, but it is kinda necessary. *NM* - 31/07/2010 12:10:05 AM 640 Views
The truth she claimed was to have lied . - 30/07/2010 07:25:02 PM 1015 Views
Re: I would just like to note. - 29/07/2010 05:40:48 AM 1181 Views
RBIRL thurs-sunday - 29/07/2010 02:17:59 PM 991 Views
The character formerly played by Napoleon62 now belongs to BlackAdder. *NM* - 01/08/2010 04:14:38 AM 608 Views
Sweet life friends. *NM* - 01/08/2010 07:31:38 AM 630 Views
I'm here, will hopefully make a real post soon *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:37:15 AM 641 Views
So...one of you guys who found my analysis of DK suspicious... - 01/08/2010 07:59:33 AM 1098 Views
Since I am currently cursed with insomnia, I think I will give it a try. - 01/08/2010 10:24:09 AM 1162 Views
Well it was kinda the idea to vote her out the second time... - 04/08/2010 03:01:38 AM 1188 Views
Heh. Divya was not meant to kill. *NM* - 04/08/2010 04:22:13 AM 544 Views
Fair enough, fair enough. *NM* - 04/08/2010 07:59:15 PM 652 Views
The character info compilation, which surprisingly hasn't been reposted - 02/08/2010 01:05:26 AM 1255 Views
Hmm. I'll actually have to correct this. - 02/08/2010 03:17:39 AM 1162 Views
lol - 02/08/2010 11:47:42 AM 1150 Views
OK, time to look at a few things - 02/08/2010 03:58:41 AM 1127 Views
A couple of notes. - 02/08/2010 02:24:55 PM 1106 Views
Re: A couple of notes. - 02/08/2010 04:32:08 PM 1012 Views
Not quite anyone. - 03/08/2010 03:23:59 AM 935 Views
A simple torch can't fry a person completely to ashes *NM* - 02/08/2010 10:31:05 PM 1085 Views
But killing them then putting them over a fire would. - 03/08/2010 03:23:25 AM 963 Views
I do suspect that there's a fire-themed killer. - 03/08/2010 03:58:54 AM 985 Views
Re: I do suspect that there's a fire-themed killer. - 03/08/2010 05:08:21 PM 1131 Views
Yeah, but they used it all in a one-shot at the Battle of Blackwater Bay . - 03/08/2010 07:23:46 PM 1110 Views
Re: Yeah, but they used it all in a one-shot at the Battle of Blackwater Bay . - 04/08/2010 02:49:50 PM 1097 Views
its a song of ice and fire - 04/08/2010 04:34:19 PM 1160 Views
Re: its a song of ice and fire - 05/08/2010 01:08:47 AM 1113 Views
yeah but Wheeler was a jerk. *NM* - 04/08/2010 03:09:04 AM 717 Views
You should read more carefully. - 06/08/2010 04:13:45 AM 1082 Views
Hrmm. All this dropping out is killing our game. - 06/08/2010 05:11:41 AM 972 Views
Re: Hrmm. All this faffing is killing the game - 06/08/2010 09:06:23 AM 1122 Views
Faff faff faff - 06/08/2010 02:21:37 PM 1127 Views
yeah, once was enough for me. *NM* - 04/08/2010 03:03:25 AM 740 Views
So, let's up the pressure a bit. - 06/08/2010 06:37:22 AM 1085 Views
Re: So, let's up the pressure a bit. - 06/08/2010 04:49:16 PM 1135 Views
Re: So, let's up the pressure a bit. - 06/08/2010 05:55:27 PM 1376 Views
I'm not generally a believer in forcing roleclaims... - 06/08/2010 06:33:30 PM 1067 Views
Re: I'm not generally a believer in forcing roleclaims... - 06/08/2010 10:02:12 PM 1110 Views
So, she's one vote from death. - 07/08/2010 12:34:37 AM 1082 Views
Re: So, she's one vote from death. - 07/08/2010 03:32:13 AM 1074 Views
hey ho, summats happening - 06/08/2010 11:05:34 PM 1177 Views
Uh, I think you just lynched her - 07/08/2010 03:59:19 AM 989 Views
EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 04:01:54 AM 1190 Views
Re: EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 06:37:10 AM 1221 Views
EBWOP - 07/08/2010 06:39:48 AM 1122 Views
FT has the Chair vote, so it is L-1 *NM* - 07/08/2010 09:59:22 AM 719 Views
Ahh Gotcha. Forgot about that. Thanks. *NM* - 07/08/2010 05:09:28 PM 578 Views
Re: EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 02:25:12 PM 1008 Views
Re: EBWOP: Maybe not - 07/08/2010 10:30:05 AM 1101 Views
She already claimed to be the road runner from Looney Tunes - 07/08/2010 03:54:09 AM 1174 Views
Re: She already claimed to be the road runner from Looney Tunes - 07/08/2010 05:18:58 AM 980 Views
Hmph, I thought it would be obvious. - 07/08/2010 03:27:15 PM 1045 Views
That's a reasonable interest. - 07/08/2010 03:35:01 PM 1053 Views
Re: That's a reasonable interest. - 07/08/2010 05:12:30 PM 1152 Views
Also, the roadrunner hurts the coyote quite a bit. - 07/08/2010 05:13:56 PM 1111 Views
True, but - 07/08/2010 05:29:31 PM 1053 Views
Hey, all he wants is a meal! - 07/08/2010 06:20:19 PM 959 Views
Yea, but only with the traps Wil E set. *NM* - 07/08/2010 07:02:27 PM 533 Views
Well, there's your roleclaim. - 07/08/2010 06:21:17 PM 1058 Views
I think you can stop with the voting now. You've done what you wanted and it worked. - 07/08/2010 06:44:29 PM 1100 Views
Meh, I made a promise. - 07/08/2010 07:52:17 PM 1028 Views
Re: Well, there's your roleclaim. - 07/08/2010 07:00:36 PM 1145 Views
Or she could have investigated him. Just laying out all the options. - 07/08/2010 07:04:16 PM 1053 Views
That or White Flame is lying now. - 07/08/2010 07:55:00 PM 1042 Views
Deal. *NM* - 07/08/2010 09:00:40 PM 491 Views
He's lying or mistaken or something. - 07/08/2010 09:17:51 PM 1122 Views
Re: He's lying or mistaken or something. - 07/08/2010 09:31:20 PM 1062 Views
In your hypocop on Day 3, you claimed 'BlackAdder - guilty' - 07/08/2010 09:32:55 PM 1164 Views
Re: In your hypocop on Day 3, you claimed 'BlackAdder - guilty' - 07/08/2010 09:35:07 PM 1180 Views
eh, I guess that makes sense - 07/08/2010 09:44:50 PM 986 Views
Hey! What'd I do? - 07/08/2010 05:42:29 AM 1094 Views
I agree...what? *NM* - 07/08/2010 06:31:04 AM 489 Views
You scammed some retard out of a Phione *NM* - 07/08/2010 04:45:22 PM 928 Views
Nah, the retard willingly gave it to me. Even better *NM* - 07/08/2010 06:58:45 PM 728 Views
Re: Hey! What'd I do? - 07/08/2010 05:12:04 PM 1110 Views
What's to comment on, really? - 07/08/2010 06:59:10 PM 1193 Views
Also, did you get the chance to do a Night Action last night? - 07/08/2010 07:01:49 PM 1168 Views
I jumped too quickly. If it's not too late - Unvote *NM* - 08/08/2010 03:06:35 AM 710 Views
I think it's too late - 08/08/2010 06:43:30 AM 1004 Views
Well, we'll find out soon enough I suppose. - 08/08/2010 03:16:07 PM 962 Views
Well, if you didn't lie, you should be alright anyway. *NM* - 08/08/2010 05:15:32 PM 573 Views
Taking one for the team, right? - 08/08/2010 06:28:37 PM 1025 Views
EBWOP: someone needs to page ranagrande, too *NM* - 08/08/2010 06:29:46 PM 590 Views
*sschtz* Paging Dr. Ranagrande ... you're wanted in surgery *scchtxz* - 09/08/2010 02:47:15 AM 1020 Views
Righto, on my way! *NM* - 09/08/2010 03:02:14 AM 688 Views
Darth_Katie has been lynched - 09/08/2010 03:07:32 AM 1177 Views
I believe we are past 125 hours -- any update on when this will start back up? *NM* - 13/08/2010 06:39:40 AM 694 Views
So, do we assume Ranagrande has vanished and just move on to the next game? *NM* - 14/08/2010 08:05:27 PM 592 Views
Are we allowed to sub the mod? *NM* - 14/08/2010 08:21:28 PM 728 Views
It is possible - 15/08/2010 12:41:27 AM 1057 Views
Give it another day, stalemate isn't preferable - 14/08/2010 08:46:02 PM 1084 Views
Sure. - 14/08/2010 09:06:44 PM 1159 Views
Re: Sure. - 14/08/2010 09:30:15 PM 1117 Views
go post in the RP then - 14/08/2010 09:42:55 PM 1101 Views
You are aware I am dead there too? - 14/08/2010 09:45:49 PM 939 Views
*swears into a paper bag* - 14/08/2010 09:49:55 PM 1017 Views
I would be willing to try a replacement mod idea before calling it quits - 15/08/2010 12:48:50 AM 1139 Views
While you're waiting, I've posted a draft of the rules update - 15/08/2010 01:23:21 AM 1162 Views
*reads rules* - 15/08/2010 04:24:41 AM 1234 Views
Yeah, that's great. - 15/08/2010 06:41:43 AM 1128 Views
I'm back. - 16/08/2010 09:16:54 PM 1132 Views
Good to see - hope everything is OK *NM* - 16/08/2010 10:50:21 PM 628 Views

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