I find this hard to accept, its also why I warn people about these sorts of maneuvers
Isaac Send a noteboard - 09/09/2010 12:19:02 AM
Why on Earth, if your role was as an investigator and it mentioned ninjas as part of that, presumably "Can investigate someone to find out if they are a ninja" or such, would you be surprised mine didn't mention it? Anyway we'll get back to this in a moment...
... first, whenever people do something dishonest from a town POV it seems to invariably backfire, so on top of our understandably not trusting people for the dishonesty itself, it tends to get frowned on. I don't think anyone has ever nabbed me in a trap as a DF. You say you did this to give cover for roles, figuring the scum might believe it as nobody died roled, if true, didn't it occur to you how likely it was a role like myself would move to stop that? And what would it accomplish? So the scummers buy a vanilla game, unlikely, and if they have a role, which they usually do, they will all know at twilight that its not all vanilla. "Huh, I'm a DF roleblocker, I wonder if there are any roles in this game?" No, probably not a good plan. And if they did buy it, because they were all standard goons, what then? Nobody RC's or admits to being a role on day 1 or 2 unless they have to. Changed nothing for me though, running the odds, if the DFs thought this was definitely a vanilla game I can make a pretty educated guess on who'd they'd target.
Now, back to your claim. This is a twelve person game, we have at most two investigatory roles and your claiming one. And its a 'safe claim', because you're not specifically claiming to be the cop or the tracker, heck no role reveal might even mean, as I suggested earlier, that we have doubling up of roles. But its a safe claim because it can't be refuted if you're really a ninja. Our cop can hardly come out now and say "BA's lying, I am" because that player would be exposing themself for something that's not a real refutation, since you're not claiming cop.
Now the final bit, your last few messages you've been saying you thought I was town because of my early comments, that's a lie, because you outright tried to label me scum as recently as two days ago and some of the explanations you're putting forward for your actions don't jibe with that ...
"Well, by itself, no. As I've explained, I consider those that made a statement about ninjas early on to be townies. Lack of a statement, coupled with the slip, and by process of elimination, he's more likely to be scum than the other choices."
... so you thought I was scummy two days ago for my very comments on the matter but a week before that and now as well you think those prove me townie? What happened two days ago? Me accusing you of being scummy for your ambiguous comments? The ones around the very same points that made you think I was town?
No, I'm not buying it
It is possible your town, but you've made too many apparently deceptive moves for me to accept that as likely, and if you are, I think you may still represent a threat to us.
... first, whenever people do something dishonest from a town POV it seems to invariably backfire, so on top of our understandably not trusting people for the dishonesty itself, it tends to get frowned on. I don't think anyone has ever nabbed me in a trap as a DF. You say you did this to give cover for roles, figuring the scum might believe it as nobody died roled, if true, didn't it occur to you how likely it was a role like myself would move to stop that? And what would it accomplish? So the scummers buy a vanilla game, unlikely, and if they have a role, which they usually do, they will all know at twilight that its not all vanilla. "Huh, I'm a DF roleblocker, I wonder if there are any roles in this game?" No, probably not a good plan. And if they did buy it, because they were all standard goons, what then? Nobody RC's or admits to being a role on day 1 or 2 unless they have to. Changed nothing for me though, running the odds, if the DFs thought this was definitely a vanilla game I can make a pretty educated guess on who'd they'd target.
Now, back to your claim. This is a twelve person game, we have at most two investigatory roles and your claiming one. And its a 'safe claim', because you're not specifically claiming to be the cop or the tracker, heck no role reveal might even mean, as I suggested earlier, that we have doubling up of roles. But its a safe claim because it can't be refuted if you're really a ninja. Our cop can hardly come out now and say "BA's lying, I am" because that player would be exposing themself for something that's not a real refutation, since you're not claiming cop.
Now the final bit, your last few messages you've been saying you thought I was town because of my early comments, that's a lie, because you outright tried to label me scum as recently as two days ago and some of the explanations you're putting forward for your actions don't jibe with that ...
"Well, by itself, no. As I've explained, I consider those that made a statement about ninjas early on to be townies. Lack of a statement, coupled with the slip, and by process of elimination, he's more likely to be scum than the other choices."
... so you thought I was scummy two days ago for my very comments on the matter but a week before that and now as well you think those prove me townie? What happened two days ago? Me accusing you of being scummy for your ambiguous comments? The ones around the very same points that made you think I was town?
No, I'm not buying it
It is possible your town, but you've made too many apparently deceptive moves for me to accept that as likely, and if you are, I think you may still represent a threat to us.
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RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 1: Pirates versus Ninjas
28/08/2010 03:58:14 AM
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Voting Record
28/08/2010 03:58:46 AM
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Incidentally...
31/08/2010 01:58:55 AM
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I do, in fact
31/08/2010 02:16:25 AM
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Yes, that might make more sense
31/08/2010 02:22:07 AM
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No, it's the other way around
31/08/2010 02:31:39 AM
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Re: No, it's the other way around
31/08/2010 02:33:48 AM
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Yeah I thought that was pretty funny
31/08/2010 02:37:43 AM
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Arrr, Vote ?
28/08/2010 05:34:48 AM
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Yarr, I hear ya, matey
28/08/2010 06:00:15 AM
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He's got a point matey!
28/08/2010 03:39:20 PM
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Arr pirates don't ask questions!
28/08/2010 09:12:10 PM
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what about rhetorical questions?
28/08/2010 09:54:08 PM
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He's got a point matey!
28/08/2010 03:39:25 PM
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Okay
28/08/2010 06:03:54 AM
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Yes, Pirate = town, Ninja = Mafia.
28/08/2010 06:09:16 AM
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What, we're not all using pirate speech for this game?
28/08/2010 06:13:09 AM
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Argh ye matey... or something, no I'll pass for now
28/08/2010 06:33:35 AM
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umm, yo ho?
28/08/2010 10:25:19 AM
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... and a bottle of rum
28/08/2010 11:53:39 AM
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I don't really like this claim five roles thing.
28/08/2010 09:54:10 PM
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Not overjoyed at it either to be honest
28/08/2010 10:20:49 PM
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After thinking it over, I don't like it either
28/08/2010 11:15:41 PM
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I agree.
28/08/2010 11:27:53 PM
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Re: I agree.
29/08/2010 12:10:36 AM
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I don't think it will be fruitful, to be completely honest
29/08/2010 12:25:02 AM
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Well, not spam per se, but certainly give their opinions at least. *NM*
29/08/2010 12:29:54 AM
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yeah...I don't like the five roles thing either...
29/08/2010 10:34:25 AM
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Re: yeah...I don't like the five roles thing either...
29/08/2010 05:43:10 PM
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I wonder how this is going to work.
29/08/2010 06:01:48 PM
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Re: I wonder how this is going to work.
29/08/2010 07:05:25 PM
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I think any millers should just claim now
29/08/2010 09:46:47 PM
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Not sure
29/08/2010 10:43:46 PM
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I think it would help if they did
29/08/2010 10:53:25 PM
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Maybe
29/08/2010 11:08:36 PM
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That format for mass roleclaiming won't work
30/08/2010 01:15:11 AM
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We can go into later
30/08/2010 02:20:12 AM
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Has anyone actually claimed vanilla?
30/08/2010 09:56:15 AM
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a question.
30/08/2010 12:25:48 PM
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By the way...
29/08/2010 11:19:33 PM
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No ninjas were mentioned in your RM? Interesting. *NM*
28/08/2010 06:44:38 AM
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Nope, I take they were in yours? Anything useful? *NM*
28/08/2010 07:01:54 AM
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Hmm, maybe, but too early to say just yet. *NM*
28/08/2010 10:54:59 PM
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Just to clarify, that "maybe" applies to both parts of your question. *NM*
29/08/2010 06:13:15 PM
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Re: Okay
28/08/2010 10:53:23 PM
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Ah, here is a link
28/08/2010 10:57:48 PM
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I don't really think we're in one of those
28/08/2010 11:03:20 PM
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Yeah, maybe not then
29/08/2010 12:17:40 AM
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How would the mafia know?
29/08/2010 03:54:46 AM
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My RM didn't say anything about ninjas...
29/08/2010 04:40:23 AM
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Day 1 EVENT: Treasure Hunt
30/08/2010 08:16:27 AM
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How many votes do we have and how many people will be selected? *NM*
30/08/2010 09:28:32 AM
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Hmm... Treasure Vote: ?
30/08/2010 03:21:36 PM
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I thought that was a question at first.
30/08/2010 05:39:37 PM
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I would be willing to vote myself but why do you want to get rid of me? *NM*
31/08/2010 02:46:37 AM
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I'd like to hear a bit more of an explanation about this
31/08/2010 02:49:13 AM
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Yeah I kind of skipped over that part...
31/08/2010 04:01:31 AM
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I can't see that being the case though
31/08/2010 04:28:01 AM
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I have a feeling
31/08/2010 04:40:44 AM
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It's a real possibility
31/08/2010 04:53:23 AM
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23 - Treasure Vote: Yunalesca
31/08/2010 04:55:47 AM
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I think the Treasure Vote should go to.....
31/08/2010 05:46:59 AM
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Do you really mean that?
31/08/2010 05:55:12 AM
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Huh?
31/08/2010 06:10:56 AM
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We aren't going to get anywhere if we all vote for ourselves...
31/08/2010 04:12:05 AM
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The hunt party will go forth whether you use your vote or not
31/08/2010 04:18:52 AM
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There certainly isn't a guarantee that it is good, and whilst it is not the end of the world if a n
31/08/2010 04:43:25 AM
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Well
31/08/2010 06:02:59 AM
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Since Tvoting myself is obviously not helpful...
31/08/2010 10:00:49 AM
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Ok...sorry about my absence for well...all the game so far
30/08/2010 07:03:56 PM
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Not voting will just delay the event
31/08/2010 04:23:42 AM
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Agreed, best everyone vote and get it over with
01/09/2010 02:59:27 AM
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Does it really matter who goes?
01/09/2010 03:05:24 AM
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Because we are rash and impatient, that's why.
01/09/2010 03:28:49 AM
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Re: Because we are rash and impatient, that's why.
01/09/2010 03:50:07 AM
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Sure. What do you suggest we do with it? *NM*
01/09/2010 03:53:57 AM
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Re: Sure. What do you suggest we do with it?
01/09/2010 03:13:30 PM
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Well I think the instructions specifically say we ought to give it to someone trustworthy
01/09/2010 06:21:06 PM
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Re: Well I think the instructions specifically say we ought to give it to someone trustworthy
01/09/2010 07:14:05 PM
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to avoid a posting slump?
01/09/2010 08:54:18 PM
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I think it means "Verified Townie"
01/09/2010 09:07:31 PM
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It actually means vanilla townie (at least that's how we've been using it)
01/09/2010 10:44:42 PM
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Why should we give it to a Vanilla Townie?
02/09/2010 12:47:35 AM
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Well if we find out someone is a vt then why would we not give him the role?
02/09/2010 12:59:50 AM
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What role? *NM*
02/09/2010 01:02:04 AM
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The role, as in the job to go on the treasure hunt. *NM*
02/09/2010 02:30:01 AM
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F-T said that the Treasure Hunt would be resolved before the end of the day
02/09/2010 02:39:44 AM
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Oh, and also!
02/09/2010 02:44:54 AM
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But that's not really a role since there is no guarantee it comes with any powers or abilities *NM*
02/09/2010 03:49:13 AM
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Lets watch that Horizontal Scroll, also...
02/09/2010 03:37:54 AM
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And apparently the vertical scroll as well
02/09/2010 03:53:13 AM
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I'm inclined to ask FT to copy the effected messages and delete them
02/09/2010 04:52:24 AM
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It could have been a slip
02/09/2010 05:13:16 AM
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HAS NO ONE READ MY CLARIFICATION?
02/09/2010 03:24:25 PM
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It really does not help you.
02/09/2010 10:12:43 PM
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Vote: Darth_Katie
02/09/2010 03:58:35 AM
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Just to clarify, I was referring to Treasure Hunt votes, not lynch *NM*
02/09/2010 05:00:34 AM
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Treasure vote: Isaac
02/09/2010 05:51:31 AM
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An irrelevant vote is probably better than no vote.
02/09/2010 06:08:00 AM
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The top 3 vote-getters will be going, I think
02/09/2010 07:26:28 AM
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I think that just means that up to 3 votes will be counted. *NM*
02/09/2010 01:39:26 PM
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"People" implies plural, but we can ask FT... casts Summon Mod
02/09/2010 03:44:21 PM
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Off to get the treasure.
03/09/2010 12:19:34 AM
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Can they still participate in convo even though they were voted off the island...errr ship? *NM*
03/09/2010 05:40:28 AM
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Probably worth checking
03/09/2010 05:59:32 AM
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Samesies.
04/09/2010 07:48:53 AM
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Well, now that that's done...
03/09/2010 07:49:47 AM
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I love random voting
03/09/2010 06:36:11 PM
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Event: Wrath of Mod
03/09/2010 09:49:24 PM
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OK! Posting slump
06/09/2010 12:38:39 PM
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i think thats what everyone is waiting for.
06/09/2010 01:03:52 PM
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Let's be honest, it's a terribly weak accusation
06/09/2010 03:20:09 PM
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Re: Let's be honest, it's a terribly weak accusation
06/09/2010 03:29:17 PM
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But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 03:37:22 PM
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Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 03:43:53 PM
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Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 05:23:56 PM
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Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 06:21:40 PM
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Re: But why would anyone actually say that?
06/09/2010 08:12:27 PM
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I think it depends on if you assume it is appropriate for Townies to lie or not.
06/09/2010 09:21:03 PM
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terminology question...
07/09/2010 07:16:21 AM
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"Finger of Suspicion"
07/09/2010 07:41:20 AM
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ah, thanks. and since you seem to be around...
07/09/2010 07:53:41 AM
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Because it makes perfect sense to do so
06/09/2010 06:12:13 PM
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One detail there requires more explanation
06/09/2010 06:38:22 PM
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Re: One detail there requires more explanation
06/09/2010 07:32:54 PM
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There is such a thing as WIFOM and it's in every game. Both sides can use it to their advantage.
06/09/2010 08:07:52 PM
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Re: There is such a thing as WIFOM and it's in every game. Both sides can use it to their advantage.
06/09/2010 09:33:41 PM
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No, typically townies get lynched trying to WIFOM
06/09/2010 09:43:01 PM
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Also: Yes, but
06/09/2010 08:15:22 PM
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Yeah, he was
06/09/2010 08:58:19 PM
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I guess no one likes listening to me. *NM*
06/09/2010 09:18:10 PM
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Does Isaac really get made scum by the mods more than others? *NM*
07/09/2010 07:08:15 AM
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Most, hopefully all, mods assign roles and alignment randomly, and I've been town mostly
07/09/2010 02:14:58 PM
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so when you're a DF, games tend to sun longer? Hmm.... *is teasing* *NM*
08/09/2010 06:01:14 AM
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Quick summary of my thoughts
07/09/2010 05:58:50 AM
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An even quicker one.
07/09/2010 07:50:20 AM
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Hm... not too much to go on. I think we should lynch BlackAdder, to be honest.
07/09/2010 09:10:53 PM
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I am wary of this logic
07/09/2010 09:17:14 PM
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I think it's a minor Day 1 slip that we should seize upon
08/09/2010 02:41:49 AM
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Your argument is that if my RM mentions ninjas, then I must be a ninja
08/09/2010 06:06:58 AM
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Partially yes
08/09/2010 03:15:00 PM
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Whoa. An all-cop game would be pretty cool.
08/09/2010 06:57:21 PM
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I'm pretty sure they exist, from what I've read on Mafiascum.
08/09/2010 10:01:01 PM
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Oh, no I didn't.
09/09/2010 12:15:37 AM
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Re: Partially yes
08/09/2010 10:25:29 PM
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I find this hard to accept, its also why I warn people about these sorts of maneuvers
09/09/2010 12:19:02 AM
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Re: I find this hard to accept, its also why I warn people about these sorts of maneuvers
09/09/2010 04:01:40 AM
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Your statements here are contradictory
09/09/2010 05:26:17 AM
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I don't know what to believe here.
09/09/2010 03:31:57 AM
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Re: I don't know what to believe here.
09/09/2010 04:21:58 AM
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Ninja RM Mention (Table)
08/09/2010 10:08:04 PM
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And as a separate query...
09/09/2010 04:34:36 AM
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answer.
09/09/2010 09:41:23 AM
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I think it was when I said there were no ninjas in my RM, right before I went RBIRL
09/09/2010 03:42:02 PM
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yeah...I totally cannot figure out your reply in the context of anything I just said.
10/09/2010 08:20:15 AM
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Re: yeah...I totally cannot figure out your reply in the context of anything I just said.
10/09/2010 03:36:04 PM
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Posting slump and fence sitters
12/09/2010 07:11:42 PM
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Re: Posting slump and fence sitters
12/09/2010 07:27:39 PM
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Re: Posting slump and fence sitters
12/09/2010 09:17:41 PM
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wow, Yanks have lots of days off...
13/09/2010 12:01:45 AM
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We had class on Labor Day ... what a rip off *NM*
13/09/2010 12:55:37 AM
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Not at all, students should be happy
13/09/2010 01:03:52 AM
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People who would cheer at the opportunity to shop are alien beyond my comprehension.
13/09/2010 02:35:45 AM
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No, just a lot of holidays
13/09/2010 12:56:22 AM
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ok!
13/09/2010 01:02:30 AM
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Re: ok!
13/09/2010 01:16:23 AM
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What kind of heathens eat ham on Thanksgiving?
13/09/2010 01:46:09 AM
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Re: What kind of heathens eat ham on Thanksgiving?
13/09/2010 01:50:52 AM
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Re: What kind of heathens eat ham on Thanksgiving?
13/09/2010 02:13:58 AM
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Who's going to hammer? *NM*
13/09/2010 12:24:49 AM
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I guess I will
13/09/2010 01:41:37 AM
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