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Something about this bugs me Isaac Send a noteboard - 25/10/2010 05:28:48 AM
For one thing, even if I did have reason to doubt his claim, I'm leery of simply assuming that we have a serial killer. I'd like to see what happens tonight, though that would require any vigilante we have not to night kill tonight. On the other hand, knowing this the serial killer might also decide not to kill anybody in order to hide its presence, so eh.

But more importantly, fake roleclaims recently have tended to be less basic stuff out of fear that the role already exists in the game and that they would therefore be revealing themselves. This, and the fact that nobody else has claimed Watcher incites me to trust the claim, for now.


I'm entirely open to the idea that WF isn't a SK, but if anything, his Watcher claim set off alarm bells in my head because it was such a 'safe claim'. Why are you surprised no one has counter-claimed? I can't even remember us ever having a watcher role in play, if he'd claimed Tracker or something, yeah, I'd buy it, we've had those roughly half the games so no one wants to fake claim it, too risky, but Watcher? Just like Lie Detector, its so uncommon in the game series its safe, minimal risk of a counter-claim.

Normally, you'd react to this like I did. Its seems weird to me that him claiming Watcher like this not only draws no extra suspicion on him from you, but does the exact opposite. The role doesn't fit the character, maybe that's the norm but I'd like to get some vocal support of that before I brush aside what seems in of itself to smell funky. I'm also noticing a very close connection between one of the major characters you claim and Deadpool. Seriously, what has he said that could possibly have just waved away your doubts? "Yes, I am as Isaac suspected a character best known for homicidal tendencies and an alignment of chaotic neutral, I, a bad ass killing machine who is generally considered utterly insane by everyone, including myself, happen to have an investigative role that everyone recognizes but is very rarely used" Seriously, how can you possibly have adopted a "Oh, okay, he must be innocent" attitude about this? You take as a given that a dangerously paranoid character known to kill first and ask questions never can not possibly be a SK but is instead a Watcher? If I had to pick roles to fit the mercenary-assassin Deadpool, it would be Survivor or Serial Killer, watcher? Not likely, I doubt our roles perfectly match our characters but until someone shows some evidence otherwise I expect them to at least seem logical, mine is. I mean listing Cyclops as a role I wouldn't pick 'mason' of the top of my head but 'mason with these other X-men' would make sense, etc. Note that while WF listed his RC, he didn't give some flavor fluff paraphrase of why he has this ability, like "The Mod gave me the SPLOG, and I'm the cop".

Seriously, which of these two scenarios makes more sense -

1. Beet assigned the role of watcher to a character it really doesn't fit

2. White Flame is a SK and didn't know his character selections would so blatantly out him as a SK, on getting hit with it decided he needs to pick a RC to survive the low lynch thresh-hold of day 1 and picks a well-known but rarely used investigative role.

Now, if we go forward with the 'does your character match your role?' questioning and a bunch of people say no, and it starts looking like Beet essentially randomly assigned major characters to pre-designed roles, then it might be a different story but I think we should be looking into that first.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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RAFO Mafia 19: Superlative Crisis! ISSUE ONE: ASK NOT FOR WHOM THE SKRULL TOLLS! - 18/10/2010 04:53:46 AM 3611 Views
Vote Table - 18/10/2010 04:56:23 AM 1899 Views
There is only one things I can think to say in a moment like this: - 18/10/2010 05:11:19 AM 1849 Views
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TIME MARCHES ON! *NM* - 18/10/2010 05:11:34 AM 1064 Views
Wow. . . - 18/10/2010 05:24:34 AM 1918 Views
One initial route suggests itself - 18/10/2010 05:40:43 AM 1904 Views
Sounds like a good plan to me. - 18/10/2010 06:00:39 AM 1867 Views
It's one of your usual suggestions and I guess we can go with it again. - 18/10/2010 06:03:51 AM 1883 Views
I think this sounds reasonable. - 18/10/2010 03:54:26 PM 1924 Views
I think 5 is too many. How about 4? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:42:44 PM 1098 Views
4's a good compromise - 18/10/2010 07:47:55 PM 1961 Views
is this for today - 18/10/2010 09:50:39 PM 1872 Views
Today. - 18/10/2010 09:59:06 PM 1865 Views
We may as well do it today - 18/10/2010 10:17:22 PM 1922 Views
If we're going to do it, it needs to be today - 18/10/2010 10:35:12 PM 1935 Views
Any order is going to have to be randomly established, imo. - 18/10/2010 10:45:40 PM 1846 Views
I don't know that its a major concern, people can just submit them - 19/10/2010 12:49:14 AM 1882 Views
Present. - 18/10/2010 07:40:21 AM 1850 Views
Amazing! Incredible! Uncanny! - 18/10/2010 08:20:09 AM 1836 Views
I meant for that to be a reply to the original message, but oh well *NM* - 18/10/2010 08:21:06 AM 1195 Views
here! - 18/10/2010 10:47:36 AM 2066 Views
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Character Claims (Table) - Complete - 19/10/2010 01:04:38 AM 2017 Views
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Me! - 19/10/2010 03:11:10 AM 1870 Views
Son of Adun. - 19/10/2010 03:19:49 AM 2085 Views
And that is still an incomplete list *NM* - 19/10/2010 04:24:23 AM 1049 Views
en taro adun, executor *NM* - 20/10/2010 07:17:16 PM 1114 Views
All right, I pretty much chose my list on a whim though. - 21/10/2010 12:09:57 AM 1908 Views
My list - 19/10/2010 04:09:47 AM 1930 Views
this is my list - 19/10/2010 05:31:17 AM 1897 Views
Claims abound! - 19/10/2010 05:58:55 AM 1867 Views
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mine - 19/10/2010 10:42:22 AM 1952 Views
Re: Character Claims (Table) - 19/10/2010 08:40:44 PM 2017 Views
So, anyone got any ideas? *NM* - 20/10/2010 07:19:51 AM 1085 Views
Possibly... - 20/10/2010 07:31:10 AM 1889 Views
Ok *NM* - 20/10/2010 05:00:57 PM 1082 Views
Sorry! I'm here. *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:28:57 PM 1192 Views
Why did it say Napoleon62? I'm ? *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:29:44 PM 1116 Views
This is REALLY weird *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:30:06 PM 1203 Views
Secret identity revealed! DUN DUN DUN! *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:31:48 PM 1155 Views
Busteeddddddddddddddddddd *NM* - 20/10/2010 09:35:02 PM 1049 Views
This is an interesting development... *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:10:19 PM 1054 Views
What? *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:24:23 PM 1217 Views
How is it now? *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:25:26 PM 1156 Views
What the heck!?!?!? Please wait as I figure this out... *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:26:05 PM 1258 Views
Whattttt?? Weird! *NM* - 20/10/2010 10:34:12 PM 1056 Views
And probably slightly unethical. *NM* - 20/10/2010 11:06:40 PM 1066 Views
Slightly? - 21/10/2010 12:57:34 AM 1898 Views
Actuall Napoleon is my brother *NM* - 21/10/2010 01:23:44 AM 1236 Views
That explains it. *NM* - 21/10/2010 05:16:38 AM 1143 Views
OH MY GOD! MURDERERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! *NM* - 21/10/2010 12:46:40 AM 1034 Views
are we actualy going to do anything today? - 21/10/2010 01:31:15 AM 1916 Views
Re: Ok let me sit this one out...I don't know what's going on at all but...yeah *NM* - 21/10/2010 01:54:54 AM 1094 Views
And that's me ? getting modkilled if possible....Sorry everyone *NM* - 21/10/2010 01:55:26 AM 1210 Views
I'd rather have you stay in... - 21/10/2010 02:07:00 AM 1822 Views
I've done that quite a few times... - 21/10/2010 02:11:48 AM 2057 Views
Try the bottom of the message box... - 21/10/2010 03:54:51 AM 1861 Views
Bingo. - 22/10/2010 10:35:20 AM 1896 Views
I mean, we don't have to. Napoleon isn't playing in this game. - 21/10/2010 02:58:29 AM 1846 Views
On the whole Napoleon/? issue - 21/10/2010 03:42:04 AM 1925 Views
Yeah, no need for ? to quit. *NM* - 21/10/2010 07:25:43 AM 1053 Views
Yay!! *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:40:56 AM 1167 Views
Testing one two three *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:41:51 AM 1061 Views
Ok...back to normal...that never happened...Where are we in the game? *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:42:21 AM 1119 Views
What? Again? *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:42:47 AM 1149 Views
Ok, here's what we can do. - 21/10/2010 01:33:53 PM 1787 Views
Sounds like a plan. - 21/10/2010 02:34:46 PM 1770 Views
Umm.. - 21/10/2010 09:41:13 PM 1894 Views
So that's everyone, I think. - 22/10/2010 04:13:06 AM 1797 Views
Re: So that's everyone, I think. - 22/10/2010 08:00:43 AM 1795 Views
a minor correction - 22/10/2010 02:43:27 PM 1876 Views
Re: a minor correction - 23/10/2010 03:08:02 AM 1841 Views
Well. . . - 22/10/2010 07:03:12 PM 1807 Views
Re: Well. . . - 23/10/2010 02:56:00 AM 1854 Views
<---- Would totally play a Dresden Files game - 23/10/2010 04:03:17 AM 2100 Views
This is awesome - 21/10/2010 09:06:24 PM 1816 Views
I'm surprised it never happened to us. We just rock. *NM* - 21/10/2010 11:52:00 PM 1045 Views
Woah, you guys are related?? - 22/10/2010 04:16:59 AM 1885 Views
Yes we are. He's my older brother. *NM* - 22/10/2010 04:47:31 AM 1032 Views
Adds an extra layer of humor to your fratricidal actions back in game 9 - 22/10/2010 08:02:42 AM 9936 Views
I still bug him about that one. We finally end up a in a mason group together, - 22/10/2010 02:29:58 PM 1900 Views
That sounds Drow, not Cairhienin . - 22/10/2010 07:00:22 PM 1799 Views
Gah. I thought I had that game figured out. - 22/10/2010 07:45:23 PM 1830 Views
Sorry, I thought everyone knew that. - 22/10/2010 07:50:10 PM 1852 Views
Its not really a big surprise but I don't think you've ever really mentioned it - 24/10/2010 04:59:02 AM 1877 Views
Really? I thought we had. Yeah, it didn't come up to often, but I thought we had mentioned it. *NM* - 24/10/2010 05:32:07 AM 1080 Views
Nope! *NM* - 24/10/2010 07:18:23 AM 997 Views
So... What are we going to do? There doesn't seem to be much to discuss. *NM* - 23/10/2010 11:27:10 AM 1047 Views
I think everyone is waiting for the ? and Napoleon62 situation to resolve *NM* - 23/10/2010 07:30:39 PM 1052 Views
No, there's nothing to resolve there - 23/10/2010 08:43:17 PM 1917 Views
Ok. What are peoples opinions on how long should we give him? *NM* - 23/10/2010 10:18:46 PM 1092 Views
I think we should give him a reasonable amount of time. - 23/10/2010 11:00:57 PM 1814 Views
depends what you define as reasonable - 24/10/2010 12:54:34 AM 1817 Views
I did put my hero people - 24/10/2010 01:06:29 AM 1910 Views
Yeah, I put it up but... - 24/10/2010 01:33:01 AM 1840 Views
Oh ok. *NM* - 24/10/2010 01:34:03 PM 1007 Views
oh ok - 24/10/2010 01:59:30 PM 1818 Views
Not sure how to proceed at the moment - 24/10/2010 05:09:20 AM 1856 Views
how about we all give our thoughts on who the SK might be? *NM* - 24/10/2010 06:57:57 AM 1100 Views
Who says we even have a SK? - 24/10/2010 07:17:45 AM 1802 Views
Re: Who says we even have a SK? - 24/10/2010 08:45:22 AM 1823 Views
It's Day 1 right now, we don't have a whole lot. - 24/10/2010 07:03:58 AM 1899 Views
Yep. - 24/10/2010 07:04:47 AM 1920 Views
Re: Not sure how to proceed at the moment - 24/10/2010 03:16:29 PM 1833 Views
Okay then - 24/10/2010 03:24:22 PM 1716 Views
Re: Okay then - 24/10/2010 04:04:26 PM 1818 Views
Re: Okay then - 24/10/2010 04:06:37 PM 1862 Views
Re: Okay then - 24/10/2010 04:27:43 PM 1834 Views
Re: Okay then - 24/10/2010 06:26:13 PM 1795 Views
I'm not going to be voting for White Flame anyway. - 24/10/2010 07:15:31 PM 1763 Views
Something about this bugs me - 25/10/2010 05:28:48 AM 1932 Views
^Seconded. - 25/10/2010 05:54:45 AM 1834 Views
Re: Something about this bugs me - 25/10/2010 06:45:19 AM 2179 Views
Edit by way of post: - 25/10/2010 06:53:47 AM 1839 Views
Re: Edit by way of post: - 25/10/2010 08:50:28 AM 1838 Views
Oh, all right. That's more than fair. - 25/10/2010 06:21:07 PM 1797 Views
Re: Something about this bugs me - 25/10/2010 08:44:49 AM 1873 Views
I disagree with you. - 25/10/2010 05:05:03 PM 1825 Views
EBWOP - 25/10/2010 09:23:51 PM 1913 Views
i thought it was an airline - 26/10/2010 11:17:57 PM 1773 Views
Re: Something about this bugs me - 25/10/2010 06:50:16 PM 1826 Views
I'm in agreement with Isaac and Kronin. - 25/10/2010 06:21:23 AM 1801 Views
"Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table) - 25/10/2010 05:26:21 AM 1951 Views
Yup. - 25/10/2010 05:53:03 AM 1842 Views
Re: Yup. - 25/10/2010 06:07:46 AM 1854 Views
Yes. *NM* - 25/10/2010 06:05:07 AM 1025 Views
Yes, I imagine so. *NM* - 25/10/2010 06:47:54 AM 994 Views
Yep *NM* - 25/10/2010 06:51:17 AM 1026 Views
Yes. *NM* - 25/10/2010 07:36:23 AM 891 Views
yeah *NM* - 25/10/2010 08:39:44 AM 1049 Views
Re: "Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table) - 25/10/2010 03:54:19 PM 1814 Views
Re: "Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table) - 25/10/2010 05:34:28 PM 1943 Views
Well, the accusation is tied to the character of Deadpool being a homicidal maniac - 25/10/2010 06:24:04 PM 1840 Views
Re: Well, the accusation is tied to the character of Deadpool being a homicidal maniac - 25/10/2010 06:38:16 PM 1833 Views
You make a compelling point, sir. - 25/10/2010 08:46:58 PM 1825 Views
This is what I meant by stretching for a match - 26/10/2010 12:40:50 AM 2032 Views
I'd also like to point out. - 26/10/2010 01:11:05 AM 1821 Views
That's the same game where Yuna was the Joker, wasn't it? - 26/10/2010 01:51:35 AM 1754 Views
yes, lets bring that up as much as possible - 26/10/2010 09:30:56 AM 1792 Views
That's true - 26/10/2010 02:02:10 AM 1834 Views
That does make sense - 26/10/2010 02:12:33 AM 1997 Views
It does make sense. - 26/10/2010 02:19:55 AM 1822 Views
Watcher isn't an especially powerful role, I doubt the mafia would single him out. - 26/10/2010 02:56:03 AM 1678 Views
I dunno, better safe than sorry is always my NK motto. - 26/10/2010 04:31:42 AM 1783 Views
Even in if they do single him out, - 26/10/2010 08:52:18 PM 1852 Views
Re: Even in if they do single him out, - 26/10/2010 09:03:21 PM 1778 Views
It means I think we should do it. - 27/10/2010 12:43:34 AM 1820 Views
Yes *NM* - 25/10/2010 06:33:22 PM 968 Views
yes *NM* - 25/10/2010 09:42:56 PM 997 Views
yes. *NM* - 26/10/2010 02:24:23 AM 990 Views
Yes as far as I can see. I'm not too experienced with Marvel *NM* - 26/10/2010 09:49:22 PM 1335 Views
So what's the temperature right now on this? - 27/10/2010 04:10:18 AM 1819 Views
Okay, Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon - 28/10/2010 02:24:09 AM 1827 Views
Re: Okay, Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon - 28/10/2010 02:28:25 AM 1805 Views
I would, but I have an exam tomorrow. - 28/10/2010 03:29:44 AM 1836 Views
Re: I would, but I have an exam tomorrow. - 28/10/2010 04:57:32 PM 1750 Views
RBIRL - 28/10/2010 07:04:44 AM 1836 Views
I'm not sure what we should do - 28/10/2010 11:12:07 PM 1825 Views
Some thoughts - 28/10/2010 05:35:58 AM 1821 Views
Is there a general consensus? - 28/10/2010 04:37:08 PM 1814 Views
RBIRL and stuff - 28/10/2010 03:49:58 AM 1809 Views
Okay, mega-absurd posting slump - 29/10/2010 03:01:38 PM 1876 Views
Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon *NM* - 29/10/2010 04:14:38 PM 1090 Views
Vote: White Flame *NM* - 29/10/2010 04:29:55 PM 1012 Views
Re: Okay, mega-absurd posting slump - 29/10/2010 04:30:30 PM 1826 Views
Yeah, I was considering imposing a limit. - 29/10/2010 04:56:12 PM 1827 Views
Hrbrlblrb. - 29/10/2010 05:34:08 PM 1763 Views
Alright, alright - 29/10/2010 06:06:46 PM 1831 Views
I said I'd wait for him to find another candidate... - 29/10/2010 06:15:44 PM 1765 Views
But really. . . - 29/10/2010 06:19:17 PM 1786 Views
This puts him at L-1. - 29/10/2010 06:45:05 PM 1923 Views
Re: This puts him at L-1. - 29/10/2010 07:28:18 PM 1857 Views
Oh come on! - 29/10/2010 07:41:54 PM 1805 Views
It would be great if, in his pettiness, WF forgot he was a bomb. - 29/10/2010 08:00:26 PM 1870 Views
That would make me chuckle. - 29/10/2010 08:04:54 PM 1894 Views
Or that he was a Priest . - 29/10/2010 09:57:14 PM 1855 Views
Apparently everybody likes option E after all *NM* - 29/10/2010 07:17:21 PM 994 Views
It was the best option there was. *NM* - 29/10/2010 07:59:11 PM 1061 Views
That, or we are all very lazy. *NM* - 29/10/2010 08:45:14 PM 993 Views
I still don't. - 29/10/2010 09:55:38 PM 1801 Views
White Flame has been lynched - 30/10/2010 07:10:15 AM 1970 Views
Dang! *NM* - 30/10/2010 09:38:44 AM 1052 Views
When do you think Day 2 will start? *NM* - 31/10/2010 05:44:28 PM 974 Views
Hm... I'd say Tuesdayish - 31/10/2010 05:58:12 PM 1797 Views
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO *NM* - 31/10/2010 07:02:11 PM 1029 Views
Sorry for the delay, Day 2 should begin within the next 24 hours - 03/11/2010 01:00:13 AM 1795 Views

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