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I doubt a roleclaim on my part is of any use at this junction. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 29/06/2011 01:06:01 AM
At this point it mostly comes down to figuring who of you or ranagrande we should lynch, if we fail, we lose. Alternatively we could not lynch today to see if Hobo was a vigilante or serial killer (whence comes the conclusion that he was a doublevoter?).

Because if he isn't, then that means that either ranagrande is the vigilante/serial killer and Gher or beetnemesis is our remaining mafia, or that beetnemesis lied and is a serial killer, and that ranagrande or Gher is still the remaining mafia. Because I don't believe we have a serial killer, I would then expect ranagrande to be the vigilante and the remaining mafia to be either Gher or Beetnemesis. Thus we lynch beetnemesis and if wrong ranagrande kills Gher in the first of the two subsequent nights, ensuring that one and only one townie will survive afterward and win us the game.

Actually, that won't work because the mafia will kill someone on our no-lynch night, so let's scrap the no-lynch idea.

Besides, if it turns out that Hobo was the vigilante, we'd be one townie down and no closer to knowing who of Gher or ranagrande to lynch.

Essentially, it comes down to the fact that we have some non-mafia role with the ability to night kill. Of our remaining players, Gher and beetnemesis have already claimed other roles, and Gher's is essentially confirmed from knowledge that ? was a mason and that nobody else has ventured a counter-claim to Gher's, so unless he was a mason AND a vigilante or serial killer (which isn't impossible, both were included as possibilities in my pirate/ninja game), he's not it. If beetnemesis lied, he's almost certainly a serial killer, otehrwise lying would have been extraordinarily anti-town.

Because I believe we have a vigilante and not a serial killer, I dismiss both of these possibilities.

That leaves ranagrande, Hobo, and myself. I've been thus far avoiding any mention of myself as the vigilante, because there's really no point in doing so hypothetically, for any plan that revolves around me being the vigilante, I am already aware of my status and can act accordingly. Meanwhile, there are definite advantages to my not having roleclaimed yet. As I am almost certainly pro-town at this point, it is beyond question that any conflicting roleclaims between me and ranagrande will end in my favour. If he claims to be the vigilante whereas I am the vigilante, then he gets lynched for lying and we win. If he claims not to be the vigilante, and I am not the vigilante either, then we know that either Hobo was it, or that despite my beliefs, someone lied and we actually do have a serial killer.

So I will certainly not roleclaim before ranagrande, given that it could assure us the win.

So yes, I suggested earlier that the vigilante claim, but this works out the same. The question essentially boils down to this, is ranagrande the vigilante?
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