The first part of the case against Yunalesca is ironically the part that made investigating her not to0 arduous… she hasn't posted too many messages and those fairly short. 21 during the game thus far, 5 of which are NM, and more than half the remainder are either code/decodes or RBIRL and RBIRL like posts and the majority of the remainder are direct answers to questions or requests for clarification, with almost everyone being one or two lines of text. In fairness to her, however, 21 is by no means low at this time, with 260 odd posts and 10 players, 26 would be the average. Yet her main contribution to our development of a plan was to object to “Plan F” in both respects, even after the reasons why a coded RC was a no-lose strategy for us had been explained. There seems no valid reason for her to have objected at that point, little room for a misunderstanding of what the plan entailed and she showed no support for Ranagrande’s alternate plan. This made me a bit suspiscious even at the time, and reminded me of something I’d noted earlier but hadn’t wanted to raise at the time till I could ponder possible repercussions of laying it out.
The “yes, no, yes, no” answer
As you may recall, we opened the game with a quartet of questions. The third question was: Did you receive any non-poetry non-role/align data? Now except for Yuna, everyone who responded said ‘No’ without qualification to this question. Now, at the time we didn’t know we all had the same poem or any poem at all, and indeed question #1 was just that, Did you get any poetry in your RM? So I didn’t want to speak up to point out Yunalesca’s divergence form the answers since it might mean nothing significant and if it was significant it seemed just as plausible it would be harmful to the town to require an explanation or draw attention to it, as the such might have missed it. Then of course, out of sight out of mind, until I started wondering why Yuna might be particularly reluctant to do a coded claim.
What exactly would a “Yes” mean for such a question? Well, we can rule out the peom, and we can also rule out anything of the “You are the cop/doc/vanilla/etc, your power functions as X, you win with the town.” And while we all got the same poem, there’s no guarantee we all had the same post-poem format. Mine for instance is two lines of text, my role stuff, paragraph break, my victory condition. Hard to mistake that format for anything other than a ‘no’ response. What about a mason? A distinct possibility, mention of the other player(s) names could be interpreted as non RC/VC and be on a separate line, but that seems implausible, and were it the case it could be shown fairly easily, Yuna has coded her RC and exposing a mason is a minimal threat to the town or the player, we’ve had enough evil masons and pure good mason groups that we generally just assume a roughly 50/50 chance one of the masons might be bad, and for a twosome that would be considered 1 in 4 and a threesome 1 in 6, lower odds than our random of a player being a scummer at 2 in 10 or 3 in 10 so a claim of that variety would not expose her in of itself to heightened lynch risk and would probably lower her NK odds, masons are never high priorities for NK, either you’ve got them infiltrated and want to keep a scapegoat or you don’t and you’d rather leave the possibility intact to play mind games on the townies. So the mason option is one option and one easily and safely dealt with.
But is mason really plausible? Are any roles plausible? Surely not vanilla, I won’t confirm, deny, or imply if I’m one but I would speculate the RM for that would be pretty darn short and unambiguous, seeing as none of us have any character info or background stories. ?, who is either a vanilla or passive role from his prior comments, answered no, as did every other player who responded, which doubtless includes representative mixes of vanillas and roles.
So what could possibly be meant by that “Yes”? It hardly marks her out as scum, but I think it is something we need to have an answer for.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Game 24, Day 1
- 11/10/2011 07:10:06 AM
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Voting record:
- 11/10/2011 07:11:21 AM
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Also, writing this poetry was awesome, thank you very much.
- 11/10/2011 07:32:56 AM
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Are you trying to preemptively win the poetry contest I had planned for my next game?
*NM*
- 11/10/2011 07:51:06 PM
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*NM*
- 11/10/2011 07:51:06 PM
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...did anyone else read that first verse and think this was a Diablo themed game? *NM*
- 11/10/2011 02:36:46 PM
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Other ways to use the RM poem:
- 11/10/2011 02:50:19 PM
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That seems doable
- 11/10/2011 04:02:35 PM
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Your keyword
- 11/10/2011 07:06:38 PM
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Re: Your keyword
- 11/10/2011 07:16:19 PM
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I also have a keyword.
- 11/10/2011 07:34:50 PM
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Some stats:
- 11/10/2011 07:04:28 PM
1779 Views
Probably not coincidence...
- 11/10/2011 07:33:20 PM
1867 Views
Mine as well.
- 11/10/2011 09:40:35 PM
1861 Views
Same here.
- 12/10/2011 01:47:39 AM
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I'm honestly 50% expecting all townies to have the same message *NM*
- 12/10/2011 02:35:59 AM
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I think we should all code our keyword
- 11/10/2011 09:36:15 PM
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Sure, lets do that, but I suggest a variation
- 11/10/2011 10:22:48 PM
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Re: Sure, lets do that, but I suggest a variation
- 11/10/2011 11:46:00 PM
1862 Views
Wait we can code however we want right?
- 12/10/2011 01:50:58 AM
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I'm having a tough time figuring out how this works
- 13/10/2011 04:19:32 PM
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Here ya are
- 12/10/2011 07:34:38 PM
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Sorry I have to do this but RBIRL
- 12/10/2011 12:55:26 AM
1690 Views
Still missing codes from Yuna, Darth Katie, Hieshyn and Stephen *NM*
- 13/10/2011 02:47:07 PM
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sorry, new commute and longer hours
- 13/10/2011 07:10:25 PM
1768 Views
I've always wondered- how long does it take to build things in minecraft?
- 13/10/2011 10:24:27 PM
1787 Views
Okay, we're just waiting on Katie now, and she doesn't need to encode it...
- 13/10/2011 08:45:38 PM
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Right...
- 14/10/2011 02:21:29 AM
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Oookay...
- 15/10/2011 12:44:27 AM
1938 Views
Ah, I knew I should have read the whole thread before posting.
- 15/10/2011 04:44:12 AM
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Okay... I think we can proceed then... everyone please decode in reply to here (Table)
- 15/10/2011 05:07:31 AM
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be careful this vehicle is decoding
- 15/10/2011 08:13:13 PM
1579 Views
Yeah, how did you encode this?
- 16/10/2011 03:30:29 AM
1900 Views
She didn't use Vigenere.
- 16/10/2011 03:50:23 AM
1852 Views
all that and we all have the same word?
- 16/10/2011 07:26:02 PM
1697 Views
Right. Um. Now what? *NM*
- 16/10/2011 08:23:07 PM
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Technically still waiting on Hieshyn, but that would appear to be the million dollar question *NM*
- 16/10/2011 08:30:57 PM
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i will bet you a snail to your million dollars that its the same
- 16/10/2011 09:20:45 PM
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I'll pass on that bet
- 16/10/2011 09:25:48 PM
1652 Views
I'll pass on that bet
- 16/10/2011 09:25:48 PM
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Re:
I'll pass on that bet
- 16/10/2011 10:45:02 PM
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I'll pass on that bet
- 16/10/2011 10:45:02 PM
1794 Views
Agreed, but move on to what?
- 16/10/2011 10:49:10 PM
1795 Views
Oh, come now.
- 17/10/2011 05:02:14 PM
1864 Views
Sounds good to me
- 17/10/2011 07:25:16 PM
1716 Views
Oh dang! Well this got turned around on its head, didn't it
*NM*
- 17/10/2011 09:57:49 PM
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*NM*
- 17/10/2011 09:57:49 PM
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Right. Well, the poems probably won't give us any info
- 17/10/2011 05:14:31 PM
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Re: Right. Well, the poems probably won't give us any info
- 17/10/2011 08:31:58 PM
1799 Views
Hahaha reading that made my head hurt
- 18/10/2011 12:52:13 AM
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Re: Hahaha reading that made my head hurt
- 18/10/2011 03:09:30 AM
1831 Views
Whats to keep us from decoding it early? *NM*
- 18/10/2011 05:57:06 PM
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Well...nothing...except honor. And all posts do show the number of view they received.
- 18/10/2011 08:30:02 PM
1780 Views
hmm, sounds like we found our scum
- 18/10/2011 05:55:08 PM
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? *NM*
- 18/10/2011 05:59:19 PM
1143 Views
sorry wrong spot
- 18/10/2011 06:01:14 PM
1699 Views
Still confused on how you arrived at that conclusion... *NM*
- 18/10/2011 06:15:46 PM
1081 Views
notice you are still my vote
- 18/10/2011 07:48:39 PM
1770 Views
Are you accusing lil ol me or beet? *NM*
- 18/10/2011 08:38:17 PM
1015 Views
You, though its not much of an accusation
- 18/10/2011 08:49:01 PM
1791 Views
Okay now that that is cleared up I can address it...
- 18/10/2011 09:00:23 PM
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Ok so if we all got the same keyword
- 17/10/2011 07:14:15 PM
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i don't get it either, blame beet. timewasting nonsense is his forte *NM*
- 17/10/2011 09:34:12 PM
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Hahaha ouch. It did have a purpose, though- if someone had a different poem.
- 18/10/2011 12:56:44 AM
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Lazy... LIKE A FOX! *NM*
- 18/10/2011 02:04:40 AM
1111 Views
While I'm thinking of it
- 18/10/2011 02:40:39 AM
1618 Views
Hmm. Sure, go ahead.
- 18/10/2011 03:31:20 AM
1642 Views
Okay thanks... is everyone else good with this?
- 18/10/2011 03:39:24 AM
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Go ahead and post. At this point, I'd be very surprised if it's not the same. *NM*
- 18/10/2011 03:54:49 PM
1081 Views
Well that's not very nice, FT! *NM*
- 18/10/2011 03:53:53 PM
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We all know the Ravens do all the work in that partnership
. *NM*
- 19/10/2011 04:47:33 AM
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. *NM*
- 19/10/2011 04:47:33 AM
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We didn't have any other leads
- 18/10/2011 02:39:34 AM
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Well if we all got the same one that seems to point toward it just being flavor *NM*
- 18/10/2011 05:58:28 PM
1094 Views
Okay, our two poems
- 18/10/2011 08:55:29 PM
1781 Views
Same same same! UGH this doesn't help us!
- 19/10/2011 01:15:03 AM
1804 Views
Patience is a virtue
Our options are 4-fold as I see it
- 19/10/2011 03:58:04 AM
1757 Views
Our options are 4-fold as I see it
- 19/10/2011 03:58:04 AM
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Re: Patience is a virtue
Our options are 4-fold as I see it
- 19/10/2011 09:32:58 PM
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Our options are 4-fold as I see it
- 19/10/2011 09:32:58 PM
1600 Views
Basically, everyone roleclaiming Day 1 to prevent the scum from planning anything *NM*
- 20/10/2011 01:25:14 AM
969 Views
What do you think of an AB meld?
- 20/10/2011 02:16:19 PM
1714 Views
i only have the one poem
- 19/10/2011 07:21:53 PM
1752 Views
Man, we have been spoiled by clue-heavy games
- 20/10/2011 01:34:48 AM
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Re: Man, we have been spoiled by clue-heavy games
- 20/10/2011 02:07:39 AM
1663 Views
Yeah okay so we won't lynch Hieshyn
- 20/10/2011 08:40:18 PM
1695 Views
SO you are going with a random lynch?
- 20/10/2011 08:38:46 PM
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Re: SO you are going with a random lynch?
- 20/10/2011 09:50:34 PM
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Re: SO you are going with a random lynch?
- 20/10/2011 10:51:14 PM
1694 Views
lolwut?
- 21/10/2011 01:31:27 AM
1510 Views
Not that I really want to delve into this...
- 21/10/2011 05:39:56 AM
1684 Views
"Claiming" vanilla is BARELY anti-town.
- 21/10/2011 07:44:26 AM
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Re: "Claiming" vanilla is BARELY anti-town.
- 21/10/2011 01:14:57 PM
1676 Views
I think we probably need to push onward here... (edit)
- 21/10/2011 05:48:00 AM
1576 Views
I guess that works.
- 21/10/2011 07:45:53 AM
1814 Views
It's not exactly ideal but we've got little else
- 21/10/2011 12:30:25 PM
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Re: It's not exactly ideal but we've got little else
- 21/10/2011 01:18:48 PM
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Re: It's not exactly ideal but we've got little else
- 21/10/2011 01:39:18 PM
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Re: It's not exactly ideal but we've got little else
- 21/10/2011 01:50:16 PM
1868 Views
hey! how comes you get to edit? *NM*
- 21/10/2011 09:36:41 AM
1046 Views
I'm special... actually I thought I'd found a bug and it was the only way to check
- 21/10/2011 12:21:22 PM
1723 Views
I'm special... actually I thought I'd found a bug and it was the only way to check
- 21/10/2011 12:21:22 PM
1723 Views
Wow, lookit all the new posts
- 21/10/2011 02:57:17 PM
1681 Views
First of all here's your table:
- 21/10/2011 03:13:19 PM
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Coding role messages: Aye or Nay? (Table)
- 21/10/2011 11:40:50 PM
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Nay *NM*
- 22/10/2011 01:43:07 AM
933 Views
Mind if you explain why you voted Nay? *NM*
- 22/10/2011 02:09:57 AM
1064 Views
I'm generally against roleclaiming.
- 22/10/2011 02:20:44 AM
1628 Views
Well... if we force someone to roleclaim before they're lynched, we'll know
- 22/10/2011 03:48:05 PM
1557 Views
I don't see much point, and I think even tomorrow would be too early to reveal.
- 24/10/2011 04:11:17 AM
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Plan E
- 22/10/2011 02:02:16 AM
1695 Views
I'm not sure I see a point in coding the accusations... I think I may have a Plan F though
- 22/10/2011 07:34:05 PM
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Incidentally note that there are two seperate pieces to Plan F
- 22/10/2011 07:36:55 PM
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Both. Although anything seems just as plausible as everything else right now. *NM*
- 22/10/2011 09:13:09 PM
1032 Views
Neither.
- 23/10/2011 04:31:47 AM
1710 Views
I have to disagree entirely, your arguments don't make sense to me
- 23/10/2011 04:57:53 AM
1818 Views
Likewise
- 23/10/2011 08:28:47 AM
1778 Views
- 23/10/2011 08:28:47 AM
1778 Views
So you admit there's nothing but advantage to coding our roles?
- 23/10/2011 01:40:08 PM
1689 Views
I think we should do both.
- 24/10/2011 05:00:23 AM
1636 Views
The Consoldiated Plan G
- 24/10/2011 02:04:23 PM
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The Random List (Table)
- 24/10/2011 02:07:46 PM
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Sounds good.
- 24/10/2011 02:59:17 PM
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Re: Sounds good.
- 24/10/2011 03:23:48 PM
1738 Views
this is too confusing *NM*
- 24/10/2011 08:11:08 PM
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I was worried about that but I think we're about as simplified as we can get...
- 24/10/2011 08:37:49 PM
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Your encoded RC (Table)
- 24/10/2011 02:14:12 PM
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Your Encoded Target (Table)
- 24/10/2011 02:17:11 PM
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RBIRL
- 25/10/2011 04:41:32 PM
1492 Views
Samesies - RBIRL
- 25/10/2011 04:57:47 PM
1512 Views
Totally RBIRL here also.
- 25/10/2011 08:07:31 PM
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Relatively RBIRL... *NM*
- 25/10/2011 09:06:43 PM
894 Views
Pretty RBIRL... *NM*
- 26/10/2011 05:05:44 PM
908 Views
I'm not putting up 5 RBIRL
- 26/10/2011 07:56:14 PM
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I said relatively.
- 26/10/2011 08:33:10 PM
1431 Views
I should be alright by the evening (note it is now thursday in ireland) *NM*
- 27/10/2011 12:52:29 AM
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Random Accusations (Table)
- 28/10/2011 04:30:48 PM
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The Case against Yunalesca
- 28/10/2011 04:34:33 PM
1578 Views
do i rebut now? *NM*
- 28/10/2011 07:07:59 PM
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Certainly, the formalism is just to try to keep things neat and tidy with 10 accusations impending
- 28/10/2011 07:10:00 PM
1620 Views
God damn it. I accidently used my random target as my target above. (sorry, ?)
- 28/10/2011 04:56:12 PM
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My accusation against ?
- 29/10/2011 02:18:54 AM
1541 Views
Weak.
- 29/10/2011 02:42:56 AM
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Beetnemesis: The Man, The Myth, The Legend.
- 30/10/2011 01:11:26 AM
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The (lack of a) case for Fox and Ravens
- 30/10/2011 04:30:06 PM
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So you can't find a case for me so that makes me auto suspicious?
- 30/10/2011 10:44:56 PM
1550 Views
Its more like I can't find anything suspicious but I'm forced to accuse you anyway *NM*
- 31/10/2011 01:57:45 AM
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Vote: Yunalesca
- 30/10/2011 03:19:21 PM
1568 Views
i've been busy, hold your horsies *NM*
- 30/10/2011 11:15:51 PM
884 Views
So now we have your answer and...
- 31/10/2011 12:13:59 AM
1449 Views
So if she isn't
- 31/10/2011 12:52:02 AM
1473 Views
Well, I see four options
- 31/10/2011 08:49:00 PM
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1 and 2 seem best.
- 01/11/2011 02:55:51 AM
1465 Views
Can I ask why?
- 01/11/2011 07:51:40 PM
1518 Views
Let's just lynch DK and be done with it, Vote: Darth Katie
- 02/11/2011 02:03:49 AM
1592 Views
As it's still Day 1, I have hopes of replacing her with the lynch/night kill dead.
- 02/11/2011 02:48:50 AM
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Re: As it's still Day 1, I have hopes of replacing her with the lynch/night kill dead.
- 02/11/2011 03:03:38 AM
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Huh, so you did. I apparently missed that entire post, my apologies.
- 02/11/2011 06:59:19 AM
1575 Views
Is it a good idea to lynch a modkill target?
- 02/11/2011 02:17:30 PM
1507 Views
I'm with Isaac on this one
- 02/11/2011 02:50:53 PM
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There's no reason for lynching me over anyone else who's being minimally active.1
- 02/11/2011 10:23:26 PM
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Darth_Katie has been lynched
- 03/11/2011 05:45:12 PM
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*NM*