First off, we probably have normal scum and this is then a futile gesture. Second, if we don't and my hypothesis about the lynchees turning into rebels is accurate, we can easily test that via a copping of anyone of them at some point down the road and clean sweep the entire group since we'd know who they were. Third, were that the case we'd have a debalanced game... those happen, and figuring those out has won many a game but if that's the case the game is simply broken and the final outcome really wouldn't reflect on anyone's skill. For all we know a second lynch might kill him for keeps, I also don't like the idea of lynching someone two days in a row for what will amount in both cases to very hazy cases.
Consider the logic there though, if lynching people turned them scum, what would lynching them again do? It wouldn't take very long for a game of that sort to turn into a route by one side or another. If they have a NK - and someone had to hit Praz last night one assumes - then they'd be increasing their number by 1 a day while decreasing ours, that's a much faster mechanic then normal attrition, Day 3 end game. Now if we're in the whole conversion or cult realm, it's just as possible they recruit nobles the way they did in the book... by killing one and replacing him with a shapeshifter. I do think there's some weird mechanics going on in this game and we need to consider option like this, but we're not ready to act on any of them... like that latter option, why assassinate a brand new player if you're seeking to either 1) Flip him to your team, 2) Remove a potential threat... Praz is playing pretty well IMHO but he's not a logical convert if you're say, a single person as cult leader recruiting a team, why not go after a more experienced player? As for #2, NK's don't silence someone, I don't doubt that should FT or I get our vote stripped we'd still be able to effectively lead lynches, so why bother? But I raise this just to point out that lynchee is hardly the only flavor appropriate way to turn people to the dark side, so to speak. Most likely WF is a townie still and Praz was hit for his mine.
Mostly this is just paranoid speculation on my part that I brought up as an example of abnormal mechanics, I've got about half a dozen other major hypothesis that are no more or less likely and that just happened to be the one that came to mind. I wouldn't mind checking it to eliminate it, but it's not worth the effective cost. That one was on my mind because I was wondering if the long night phase might have had a purpose, like allowing a scum team to built from scratch, so someone who just became scum would have time to lay plans and groundwork. But I really doubt that was the case. If a straight no lynch doesn't work for all of you, vote for Hieshyn or figure out who the least active player's been and knock them off... if they do turn scum may as well give them highly inactive players Personally I don't think there's anything else to be accomplished today.
Consider the logic there though, if lynching people turned them scum, what would lynching them again do? It wouldn't take very long for a game of that sort to turn into a route by one side or another. If they have a NK - and someone had to hit Praz last night one assumes - then they'd be increasing their number by 1 a day while decreasing ours, that's a much faster mechanic then normal attrition, Day 3 end game. Now if we're in the whole conversion or cult realm, it's just as possible they recruit nobles the way they did in the book... by killing one and replacing him with a shapeshifter. I do think there's some weird mechanics going on in this game and we need to consider option like this, but we're not ready to act on any of them... like that latter option, why assassinate a brand new player if you're seeking to either 1) Flip him to your team, 2) Remove a potential threat... Praz is playing pretty well IMHO but he's not a logical convert if you're say, a single person as cult leader recruiting a team, why not go after a more experienced player? As for #2, NK's don't silence someone, I don't doubt that should FT or I get our vote stripped we'd still be able to effectively lead lynches, so why bother? But I raise this just to point out that lynchee is hardly the only flavor appropriate way to turn people to the dark side, so to speak. Most likely WF is a townie still and Praz was hit for his mine.
Mostly this is just paranoid speculation on my part that I brought up as an example of abnormal mechanics, I've got about half a dozen other major hypothesis that are no more or less likely and that just happened to be the one that came to mind. I wouldn't mind checking it to eliminate it, but it's not worth the effective cost. That one was on my mind because I was wondering if the long night phase might have had a purpose, like allowing a scum team to built from scratch, so someone who just became scum would have time to lay plans and groundwork. But I really doubt that was the case. If a straight no lynch doesn't work for all of you, vote for Hieshyn or figure out who the least active player's been and knock them off... if they do turn scum may as well give them highly inactive players Personally I don't think there's anything else to be accomplished today.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Mafia XXV: Day 2
- 29/01/2012 04:30:46 PM
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Poetry Contest Round 2: Acrostic
- 29/01/2012 04:35:41 PM
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Acrostic? *NM*
- 29/01/2012 08:00:23 PM
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The first letter of each line makes either a word or phrase. *NM*
- 29/01/2012 11:31:56 PM
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So are Praz and White Flame still around? Can they talk? *NM*
- 30/01/2012 12:47:08 AM
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Yep
- 30/01/2012 02:20:09 PM
1581 Views
Do you get a vote? *NM*
- 30/01/2012 02:27:26 PM
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Re: Do you get a vote?
- 30/01/2012 07:27:19 PM
1430 Views
I seem to recall that you can purchase obligators with Atium.
- 30/01/2012 10:53:36 PM
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AFAIK, I'm still here and good to go.
- 30/01/2012 10:14:11 PM
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No night messages or anything? I guess that's to be expected
- 31/01/2012 03:48:58 AM
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I suppose this won't hurt to say: I was a judge of the poetry contest.
- 31/01/2012 04:18:42 AM
1526 Views
Judged as well- sounds like most if not all of us did
- 01/02/2012 01:53:36 PM
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Actually I think we should get a list of everyone who entered or didn't
- 01/02/2012 03:27:36 PM
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****Follow up**** (Table)
- 02/02/2012 04:24:30 PM
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I'm just going to say I highly doubt the contest has anything to do with anything.
- 03/02/2012 12:29:32 AM
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Hieshyn, Stephen, I'd really like your answers on this
- 04/02/2012 08:14:10 PM
1691 Views
I gave my response
- 05/02/2012 04:59:28 PM
1560 Views
D'oh! Sorry, Vote: Hieshyn
- 05/02/2012 05:01:26 PM
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You want to lynch him?
- 05/02/2012 06:55:12 PM
1544 Views
If he doesn't answer up, but we may as well move on
- 05/02/2012 07:50:02 PM
1611 Views
Hm, ok
- 06/02/2012 01:21:00 AM
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Okay
- 06/02/2012 02:07:01 AM
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Re: Okay
- 06/02/2012 03:32:36 AM
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the 3 was a mistake
- 06/02/2012 06:12:48 PM
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We need you to verify all 4 then
- 06/02/2012 08:35:18 PM
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Re: We need you to verify all 4 then
- 06/02/2012 11:25:34 PM
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Re: We need you to verify all 4 then
- 07/02/2012 04:03:57 AM
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Re: We need you to verify all 4 then
- 07/02/2012 08:03:40 PM
1591 Views
Thanks, one was enough
- 07/02/2012 09:43:41 PM
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- 07/02/2012 09:43:41 PM
1586 Views
Day 2 Auctions
- 05/02/2012 10:37:13 PM
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I made individual auction threads, because I'm OCD that way
*NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:03:34 PM
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*NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:03:34 PM
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Iron Mine: .1 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:00:12 PM
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Mine .2 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 03:20:35 PM
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Mine 0.4 *NM*
- 12/02/2012 04:55:22 AM
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Mine 0.5 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 08:45:51 PM
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Mine 0.81 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 09:13:56 PM
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Mine 0.9 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 09:14:49 PM
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Mine 1.17 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 10:09:52 PM
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Mine 1.2 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:17:36 AM
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Mine 1.26 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:37:51 AM
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Mine 1.3 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:04:09 AM
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Mine 1.4 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:00:17 AM
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Mine 1.5 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:07:58 AM
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Mine 1.8 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:31:38 AM
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Mine: 2.0 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:34:49 AM
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Shop: .1 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:00:55 PM
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Shop: .28 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 10:38:55 PM
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Shop .4
- 07/02/2012 04:16:55 PM
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Shop .45 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 05:15:34 AM
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Shop .5 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 01:33:29 PM
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Shop .7 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 02:12:49 PM
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Shop .8 --> I want my freedom =( *NM*
- 09/02/2012 02:42:27 PM
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Shop .91 *NM*
- 11/02/2012 09:33:23 PM
1064 Views
Shop 1.0 *NM*
- 11/02/2012 10:27:12 PM
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Re: Shop 1.01 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:03:41 AM
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Shop 1.1 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:45:47 AM
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Shop 1.2 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:01:05 AM
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Shop 1.22 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:18:09 AM
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Shop 1.53 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:37:35 AM
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Shop 1.6 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 02:27:54 PM
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Shop 1.62 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 06:27:18 PM
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Shop 1.7 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 07:52:45 PM
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Shop 1.71 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 10:08:36 PM
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Shop 2.3 *NM*
- 16/02/2012 12:21:01 AM
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Shop 2.31 *NM*
- 18/02/2012 05:15:53 PM
953 Views
Shop 2.56578443992021083401 *NM*
- 19/02/2012 03:44:52 AM
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Shop 2.56578443992021083402
- 19/02/2012 05:38:55 AM
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Slave: .1 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:01:26 PM
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Slave .3 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 03:21:08 PM
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Slave .35 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 10:38:31 PM
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Slave .5 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 10:42:16 PM
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Slave .81 *NM*
- 07/02/2012 12:19:48 AM
1057 Views
Well, now you're just being a jerk
. Slave: 1 *NM*
- 07/02/2012 08:42:16 PM
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. Slave: 1 *NM*
- 07/02/2012 08:42:16 PM
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Slave: 1.15 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 02:35:32 PM
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Slave: 1.3 *NM*
- 11/02/2012 05:42:33 PM
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Slave: 1.4 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:03:53 AM
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Slave: 1.5 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:57:59 AM
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Slave: 1.6 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:07:33 AM
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Slave: 1.75 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:35:34 AM
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Slave: 2.0 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:36:14 AM
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I think we're hammered *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:40:36 AM
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Slave: 2.1 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 02:28:24 PM
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Slave: 2.2 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:51:40 PM
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Slave: 2.3 I'm curious about those extra actions, dammit! *NM*
- 14/02/2012 07:53:03 PM
922 Views
Slave 2.4... what extra actions?
- 15/02/2012 12:38:36 AM
1409 Views
Slave 2.5 well, "other potential effects," then
- 15/02/2012 03:50:54 AM
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Slave: 2.51
- 21/02/2012 11:18:02 PM
1687 Views
Slave: 2.6- don't you want to be slave-buddies?
- 24/02/2012 04:30:54 PM
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Slave: 2.7 you have no idea how ironic that is
*NM*
- 02/03/2012 02:50:25 AM
937 Views
*NM*
- 02/03/2012 02:50:25 AM
937 Views
Slave: 2.8 the only way I'll know is with a slave! *NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:29:47 AM
937 Views
Slave: 2.9 but I think Stephen already hammered
*NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:31:13 AM
1021 Views
*NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:31:13 AM
1021 Views
Slave: 3.0 yeah, I'm on my phone, so I bid before seeing. And am bidding now just in case! *NM*
- 03/03/2012 02:41:31 AM
891 Views
Tin Misting: .1 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:02:48 PM
1064 Views
Tin Misting: .2 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 04:36:38 AM
1067 Views
Tin Misting: .201 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 09:16:03 PM
1006 Views
Re: Tin Misting: .202 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:04:35 AM
1114 Views
Tin Misting: .4 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:58:52 AM
1007 Views
Yes, I will. Tin Misting : .5 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:15:15 AM
1078 Views
Tin Misting : .7 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 02:28:47 PM
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Tin Misting : .8 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 02:43:32 PM
1051 Views
Tin Misting : .9 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 07:53:48 PM
901 Views
Tin Misting : .91 *NM*
- 18/02/2012 05:14:15 PM
1124 Views
Tin Misting : .95 *NM*
- 24/02/2012 04:31:03 PM
911 Views
No posts and no beer make beetnemesis something something
- 10/02/2012 03:07:53 PM
1787 Views
I'd have no problem - at all - with lynching Hieshyn.
- 10/02/2012 06:55:30 PM
1451 Views
I say we go for it
- 11/02/2012 04:57:52 PM
1628 Views
I expect him to get modkilled for inactivity.
- 11/02/2012 06:18:41 PM
1724 Views
Okay I guess I might as well say what I did last night...
- 10/02/2012 08:14:46 PM
1616 Views
Re: Okay I guess I might as well say what I did last night...
- 11/02/2012 01:57:48 PM
1638 Views
It doesn't implicate anyone...
- 11/02/2012 06:05:36 PM
1627 Views
Hmm
- 11/02/2012 06:22:31 PM
1580 Views
Erm... what is this about?
- 11/02/2012 06:24:42 PM
1585 Views
Nothing was happening...we needed information...
- 11/02/2012 10:36:21 PM
1493 Views
Hmm.
- 12/02/2012 03:04:00 AM
1696 Views
I didn't get anything
- 12/02/2012 04:54:53 AM
1635 Views
So neither of you got any flavour text regarding your night action/being targeted by a night action?
- 12/02/2012 05:38:53 AM
1555 Views
I got nothing.
- 12/02/2012 05:43:52 AM
1633 Views
^^OK yeah, so
- 13/02/2012 02:18:41 AM
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Re: ^^OK yeah, so
- 13/02/2012 02:48:09 AM
1654 Views
Hah, I think it's funny that we didn't confirm until right now who was NK'd
- 13/02/2012 03:49:30 AM
1558 Views
I'd actually assumed this was the meaning.
- 13/02/2012 05:15:41 AM
1673 Views
But I soothed him into inactivity.
- 13/02/2012 08:42:51 PM
1566 Views
Right
- 13/02/2012 09:13:21 PM
1541 Views
ooh so you were roleblocked AND nightkilled? *NM*
- 14/02/2012 09:14:07 PM
1086 Views
Mob justice or get off the pot
- 13/02/2012 02:18:57 PM
1641 Views
Re: Mob justice or get off the pot
- 14/02/2012 01:47:36 AM
1614 Views
Cool. Vote: Hieshyn *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:54:36 AM
890 Views
Hmmm. . . . .
- 14/02/2012 05:16:41 AM
1662 Views
This kinda sums up the impression i"m getting reading through these.
- 14/02/2012 09:43:13 PM
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Re: This kinda sums up the impression i"m getting reading through these.
- 14/02/2012 10:14:04 PM
1605 Views
Votes?
- 14/02/2012 05:45:22 AM
1529 Views
Technically, that's only 4 real votes, unless some people have extras. *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:46:43 AM
997 Views
Sorry, my real life was incredibly busy
- 14/02/2012 09:29:53 PM
1705 Views
Unvote: Hieshyn... now we get to track down who was lying
- 15/02/2012 12:34:25 AM
1746 Views
That's pretty useless...
- 15/02/2012 01:36:14 AM
1530 Views
OK so I'm guessing you want me to encode shit
- 16/02/2012 12:19:22 AM
1634 Views
Nope, no encoding. I'll explain:
- 16/02/2012 01:17:58 AM
1482 Views
Wound, Luthadel, Mistborn, wood *NM*
- 17/02/2012 11:51:56 PM
979 Views
Heh, everybody uses 'Wood'
- 19/02/2012 05:11:57 AM
1712 Views
How much trouble would I be in if all the poems were here in full?
- 19/02/2012 11:01:24 PM
1723 Views
Probably only for modquoting, I think.
- 20/02/2012 05:11:51 AM
1558 Views
Sorry I disappeared for a bit there and am still semi-RBIRL
- 21/02/2012 04:24:32 AM
1558 Views
I explicitly said during Day 1 I have never read the series
- 21/02/2012 06:43:49 PM
1585 Views
So I suppose what I'm trying to say
- 21/02/2012 07:37:18 PM
1771 Views
Ha, let's lynch Stephen
- 21/02/2012 10:43:11 PM
1520 Views
I don't know
- 21/02/2012 11:11:58 PM
1563 Views
No reason for what now?
- 22/02/2012 11:39:27 PM
1959 Views
As for this...
- 23/02/2012 10:05:52 AM
1594 Views
Just because F-T says he isn't guilty doesn't mean he isn't
- 22/02/2012 11:53:07 PM
1802 Views
Yes, this has been brought up
- 23/02/2012 09:18:00 AM
1621 Views
Upon reading the poems initially...
- 23/02/2012 03:00:11 PM
1659 Views
Re: Upon reading the poems initially...
- 23/02/2012 03:07:46 PM
1622 Views
If it was written by scum, I doubt they knew that everyone would get to read it.
- 23/02/2012 05:35:07 PM
1901 Views
If it was written by scum, I doubt they knew that everyone would get to read it.
- 23/02/2012 05:35:09 PM
1855 Views
Re: Upon reading the poems initially...
- 23/02/2012 06:06:29 PM
1529 Views
At this pointit seems unlikely, since theylied about it.
- 23/02/2012 06:40:34 PM
1569 Views
True.
- 23/02/2012 11:02:24 PM
1601 Views
That's possible, in which case I still think he's scum. Just not lynchable scum
.
- 24/02/2012 02:39:44 AM
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.
- 24/02/2012 02:39:44 AM
1675 Views
Hey Lord Ruler
- 21/02/2012 07:14:01 PM
1539 Views
Ya know, I'm probably going to regret suggesting this but...
- 23/02/2012 07:03:59 PM
1621 Views
What exactly do we have to gain from a no-lynch?
- 23/02/2012 08:32:31 PM
1848 Views
Mostly just an end to the day
- 23/02/2012 09:42:18 PM
1586 Views
You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 02:46:57 AM
1646 Views
Re: You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 10:26:21 AM
1867 Views
Re: You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 12:27:01 PM
1686 Views
Re: You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 08:06:49 PM
1382 Views
Re: You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 08:16:28 PM
1629 Views
... *NM*
- 25/02/2012 02:05:00 AM
1040 Views
Vote: ? *NM*
- 26/02/2012 07:52:49 PM
1031 Views
You are trying to vote for yourself? *NM*
- 26/02/2012 09:44:09 PM
1003 Views
Yes. I was bored. No one had posted in a long time. Thus. Sorry. *NM*
- 26/02/2012 09:50:25 PM
1051 Views
Right, get a move on people.
- 28/02/2012 08:22:51 AM
1583 Views
I don't think we can re-lynch White Flame, can we? *NM*
- 28/02/2012 03:04:41 PM
1041 Views
We'll see. Vote: White Flame *NM*
- 28/02/2012 03:26:30 PM
924 Views
This isn't a great idea for experimentation
- 28/02/2012 07:10:32 PM
1714 Views
No new ideas so let's lynch the guy who was quiet for two weeks and came back with a vengence
- 02/03/2012 12:47:55 AM
1983 Views
I'm sorry.
- 02/03/2012 01:53:03 AM
1589 Views
This is exactly the problem I have with Mafia in general (OOC)
- 02/03/2012 02:06:17 AM
2065 Views
At my count (Votes)
- 02/03/2012 02:13:56 AM
1951 Views
Oh, and Fox and Ravens voted for Whiteflame *NM*
- 02/03/2012 02:14:59 AM
1184 Views
Can you make a case on anyone else?
- 02/03/2012 03:36:28 AM
1515 Views
Vote: Hieshyn
- 02/03/2012 06:50:08 PM
1958 Views
You're still not dead, Yuna unvoted you an hour ago
- 02/03/2012 07:18:50 PM
1694 Views
- 02/03/2012 07:18:50 PM
1694 Views
son of a bitch i never get to hammer
*NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:31:10 AM
1232 Views
*NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:31:10 AM
1232 Views
Well, to save time since you're not really dead-dead, town or scum? *NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:32:04 AM
1018 Views
Day 2 has ended.
- 05/03/2012 10:30:17 PM
1390 Views
New job?
- 06/03/2012 12:08:53 AM
1507 Views
So am I now dead-dead in this deathless game of mafia? *NM*
- 08/03/2012 12:58:57 AM
1253 Views
That's the same PM WF got, he's still in, you probably will be too *NM*
- 08/03/2012 05:33:25 AM
1091 Views
I'm thinking about calling this one, either way though I'm out.
- 02/04/2012 01:26:30 AM
1710 Views
Yeah, i've been tempted to say I'm out for a while too.
- 03/04/2012 02:01:52 AM
1533 Views
My friend just got a programming job in which the whole company plays Diplomacy
- 03/04/2012 02:17:41 AM
1362 Views
Re: My friend just got a programming job in which the whole company plays Diplomacy
- 03/04/2012 03:34:47 AM
1640 Views
Yeah, I only have the barest hints, but I got the impression that it could be done online *NM*
- 03/04/2012 02:44:41 PM
1105 Views
If rana doesn't think a backup mod would work, then...
- 03/04/2012 02:18:51 AM
1627 Views
Yeah
- 03/04/2012 04:41:08 AM
1569 Views
Me too.
- 03/04/2012 06:39:40 AM
1546 Views
Heh
- 05/04/2012 01:28:24 AM
1575 Views
Looks good, but I can't fully judge without knowing the lore behind it
.
- 05/04/2012 07:05:08 AM
1684 Views
.
- 05/04/2012 07:05:08 AM
1684 Views
me too, its allright to post it now? *NM*
- 05/04/2012 08:19:25 PM
977 Views
Yeah, I mean it's not like you're gonna get modkilled, right? *NM*
- 05/04/2012 08:54:48 PM
1082 Views
Yeah...
- 08/04/2012 04:49:10 AM
1556 Views
For the record, I was scum
- 09/04/2012 03:33:12 PM
1879 Views
Re: For the record, I was scum
- 10/04/2012 04:19:20 AM
1611 Views

*NM*
it. Vote: Hieshyn