First off, we probably have normal scum and this is then a futile gesture. Second, if we don't and my hypothesis about the lynchees turning into rebels is accurate, we can easily test that via a copping of anyone of them at some point down the road and clean sweep the entire group since we'd know who they were. Third, were that the case we'd have a debalanced game... those happen, and figuring those out has won many a game but if that's the case the game is simply broken and the final outcome really wouldn't reflect on anyone's skill. For all we know a second lynch might kill him for keeps, I also don't like the idea of lynching someone two days in a row for what will amount in both cases to very hazy cases.
Consider the logic there though, if lynching people turned them scum, what would lynching them again do? It wouldn't take very long for a game of that sort to turn into a route by one side or another. If they have a NK - and someone had to hit Praz last night one assumes - then they'd be increasing their number by 1 a day while decreasing ours, that's a much faster mechanic then normal attrition, Day 3 end game. Now if we're in the whole conversion or cult realm, it's just as possible they recruit nobles the way they did in the book... by killing one and replacing him with a shapeshifter. I do think there's some weird mechanics going on in this game and we need to consider option like this, but we're not ready to act on any of them... like that latter option, why assassinate a brand new player if you're seeking to either 1) Flip him to your team, 2) Remove a potential threat... Praz is playing pretty well IMHO but he's not a logical convert if you're say, a single person as cult leader recruiting a team, why not go after a more experienced player? As for #2, NK's don't silence someone, I don't doubt that should FT or I get our vote stripped we'd still be able to effectively lead lynches, so why bother? But I raise this just to point out that lynchee is hardly the only flavor appropriate way to turn people to the dark side, so to speak. Most likely WF is a townie still and Praz was hit for his mine.
Mostly this is just paranoid speculation on my part that I brought up as an example of abnormal mechanics, I've got about half a dozen other major hypothesis that are no more or less likely and that just happened to be the one that came to mind. I wouldn't mind checking it to eliminate it, but it's not worth the effective cost. That one was on my mind because I was wondering if the long night phase might have had a purpose, like allowing a scum team to built from scratch, so someone who just became scum would have time to lay plans and groundwork. But I really doubt that was the case. If a straight no lynch doesn't work for all of you, vote for Hieshyn or figure out who the least active player's been and knock them off... if they do turn scum may as well give them highly inactive players Personally I don't think there's anything else to be accomplished today.
Consider the logic there though, if lynching people turned them scum, what would lynching them again do? It wouldn't take very long for a game of that sort to turn into a route by one side or another. If they have a NK - and someone had to hit Praz last night one assumes - then they'd be increasing their number by 1 a day while decreasing ours, that's a much faster mechanic then normal attrition, Day 3 end game. Now if we're in the whole conversion or cult realm, it's just as possible they recruit nobles the way they did in the book... by killing one and replacing him with a shapeshifter. I do think there's some weird mechanics going on in this game and we need to consider option like this, but we're not ready to act on any of them... like that latter option, why assassinate a brand new player if you're seeking to either 1) Flip him to your team, 2) Remove a potential threat... Praz is playing pretty well IMHO but he's not a logical convert if you're say, a single person as cult leader recruiting a team, why not go after a more experienced player? As for #2, NK's don't silence someone, I don't doubt that should FT or I get our vote stripped we'd still be able to effectively lead lynches, so why bother? But I raise this just to point out that lynchee is hardly the only flavor appropriate way to turn people to the dark side, so to speak. Most likely WF is a townie still and Praz was hit for his mine.
Mostly this is just paranoid speculation on my part that I brought up as an example of abnormal mechanics, I've got about half a dozen other major hypothesis that are no more or less likely and that just happened to be the one that came to mind. I wouldn't mind checking it to eliminate it, but it's not worth the effective cost. That one was on my mind because I was wondering if the long night phase might have had a purpose, like allowing a scum team to built from scratch, so someone who just became scum would have time to lay plans and groundwork. But I really doubt that was the case. If a straight no lynch doesn't work for all of you, vote for Hieshyn or figure out who the least active player's been and knock them off... if they do turn scum may as well give them highly inactive players Personally I don't think there's anything else to be accomplished today.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Mafia XXV: Day 2
- 29/01/2012 04:30:46 PM
2901 Views
Poetry Contest Round 2: Acrostic
- 29/01/2012 04:35:41 PM
1771 Views
Acrostic? *NM*
- 29/01/2012 08:00:23 PM
1024 Views
The first letter of each line makes either a word or phrase. *NM*
- 29/01/2012 11:31:56 PM
835 Views
So are Praz and White Flame still around? Can they talk? *NM*
- 30/01/2012 12:47:08 AM
1123 Views
Yep
- 30/01/2012 02:20:09 PM
1582 Views
Do you get a vote? *NM*
- 30/01/2012 02:27:26 PM
1037 Views
Re: Do you get a vote?
- 30/01/2012 07:27:19 PM
1432 Views
I seem to recall that you can purchase obligators with Atium.
- 30/01/2012 10:53:36 PM
1711 Views
AFAIK, I'm still here and good to go.
- 30/01/2012 10:14:11 PM
1647 Views
No night messages or anything? I guess that's to be expected
- 31/01/2012 03:48:58 AM
1710 Views
I suppose this won't hurt to say: I was a judge of the poetry contest.
- 31/01/2012 04:18:42 AM
1527 Views
Judged as well- sounds like most if not all of us did
- 01/02/2012 01:53:36 PM
1716 Views
Actually I think we should get a list of everyone who entered or didn't
- 01/02/2012 03:27:36 PM
1633 Views
****Follow up**** (Table)
- 02/02/2012 04:24:30 PM
1648 Views
I'm just going to say I highly doubt the contest has anything to do with anything.
- 03/02/2012 12:29:32 AM
1669 Views
Hieshyn, Stephen, I'd really like your answers on this
- 04/02/2012 08:14:10 PM
1693 Views
I gave my response
- 05/02/2012 04:59:28 PM
1561 Views
D'oh! Sorry, Vote: Hieshyn
- 05/02/2012 05:01:26 PM
1404 Views
You want to lynch him?
- 05/02/2012 06:55:12 PM
1546 Views
If he doesn't answer up, but we may as well move on
- 05/02/2012 07:50:02 PM
1612 Views
Hm, ok
- 06/02/2012 01:21:00 AM
1645 Views
Okay
- 06/02/2012 02:07:01 AM
1672 Views
Re: Okay
- 06/02/2012 03:32:36 AM
1627 Views
the 3 was a mistake
- 06/02/2012 06:12:48 PM
1632 Views
We need you to verify all 4 then
- 06/02/2012 08:35:18 PM
1583 Views
Re: We need you to verify all 4 then
- 06/02/2012 11:25:34 PM
1641 Views
Re: We need you to verify all 4 then
- 07/02/2012 04:03:57 AM
1814 Views
Re: We need you to verify all 4 then
- 07/02/2012 08:03:40 PM
1591 Views
Thanks, one was enough
- 07/02/2012 09:43:41 PM
1587 Views
- 07/02/2012 09:43:41 PM
1587 Views
Day 2 Auctions
- 05/02/2012 10:37:13 PM
1592 Views
I made individual auction threads, because I'm OCD that way
*NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:03:34 PM
1097 Views
*NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:03:34 PM
1097 Views
Iron Mine: .1 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:00:12 PM
1062 Views
Mine .2 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 03:20:35 PM
1038 Views
Mine 0.4 *NM*
- 12/02/2012 04:55:22 AM
1005 Views
Mine 0.5 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 08:45:51 PM
1024 Views
Mine 0.81 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 09:13:56 PM
913 Views
Mine 0.9 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 09:14:49 PM
1006 Views
Mine 1.17 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 10:09:52 PM
934 Views
Mine 1.2 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:17:36 AM
1038 Views
Mine 1.26 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:37:51 AM
1026 Views
Mine 1.3 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:04:09 AM
979 Views
Mine 1.4 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:00:17 AM
1075 Views
Mine 1.5 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:07:58 AM
975 Views
Mine 1.8 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:31:38 AM
941 Views
Mine: 2.0 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:34:49 AM
961 Views
Shop: .1 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:00:55 PM
1048 Views
Shop: .28 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 10:38:55 PM
1116 Views
Shop .4
- 07/02/2012 04:16:55 PM
1582 Views
Shop .45 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 05:15:34 AM
1038 Views
Shop .5 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 01:33:29 PM
919 Views
Shop .7 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 02:12:49 PM
972 Views
Shop .8 --> I want my freedom =( *NM*
- 09/02/2012 02:42:27 PM
1059 Views
Shop .91 *NM*
- 11/02/2012 09:33:23 PM
1064 Views
Shop 1.0 *NM*
- 11/02/2012 10:27:12 PM
1021 Views
Re: Shop 1.01 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:03:41 AM
1084 Views
Shop 1.1 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:45:47 AM
1042 Views
Shop 1.2 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:01:05 AM
1007 Views
Shop 1.22 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:18:09 AM
970 Views
Shop 1.53 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:37:35 AM
990 Views
Shop 1.6 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 02:27:54 PM
902 Views
Shop 1.62 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 06:27:18 PM
1039 Views
Shop 1.7 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 07:52:45 PM
1034 Views
Shop 1.71 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 10:08:36 PM
1005 Views
Shop 2.3 *NM*
- 16/02/2012 12:21:01 AM
1012 Views
Shop 2.31 *NM*
- 18/02/2012 05:15:53 PM
953 Views
Shop 2.56578443992021083401 *NM*
- 19/02/2012 03:44:52 AM
1034 Views
Shop 2.56578443992021083402
- 19/02/2012 05:38:55 AM
1655 Views
Slave: .1 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:01:26 PM
1077 Views
Slave .3 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 03:21:08 PM
1050 Views
Slave .35 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 10:38:31 PM
894 Views
Slave .5 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 10:42:16 PM
1104 Views
Slave .81 *NM*
- 07/02/2012 12:19:48 AM
1057 Views
Well, now you're just being a jerk
. Slave: 1 *NM*
- 07/02/2012 08:42:16 PM
1083 Views
. Slave: 1 *NM*
- 07/02/2012 08:42:16 PM
1083 Views
Slave: 1.15 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 02:35:32 PM
1062 Views
Slave: 1.3 *NM*
- 11/02/2012 05:42:33 PM
1083 Views
Slave: 1.4 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:03:53 AM
977 Views
Slave: 1.5 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:57:59 AM
1037 Views
Slave: 1.6 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:07:33 AM
1010 Views
Slave: 1.75 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:35:34 AM
1005 Views
Slave: 2.0 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:36:14 AM
979 Views
I think we're hammered *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:40:36 AM
953 Views
Slave: 2.1 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 02:28:24 PM
1055 Views
Slave: 2.2 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:51:40 PM
979 Views
Slave: 2.3 I'm curious about those extra actions, dammit! *NM*
- 14/02/2012 07:53:03 PM
922 Views
Slave 2.4... what extra actions?
- 15/02/2012 12:38:36 AM
1411 Views
Slave 2.5 well, "other potential effects," then
- 15/02/2012 03:50:54 AM
1440 Views
Slave: 2.51
- 21/02/2012 11:18:02 PM
1688 Views
Slave: 2.6- don't you want to be slave-buddies?
- 24/02/2012 04:30:54 PM
1461 Views
Slave: 2.7 you have no idea how ironic that is
*NM*
- 02/03/2012 02:50:25 AM
937 Views
*NM*
- 02/03/2012 02:50:25 AM
937 Views
Slave: 2.8 the only way I'll know is with a slave! *NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:29:47 AM
937 Views
Slave: 2.9 but I think Stephen already hammered
*NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:31:13 AM
1021 Views
*NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:31:13 AM
1021 Views
Slave: 3.0 yeah, I'm on my phone, so I bid before seeing. And am bidding now just in case! *NM*
- 03/03/2012 02:41:31 AM
891 Views
Tin Misting: .1 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:02:48 PM
1064 Views
Tin Misting: .2 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 04:36:38 AM
1067 Views
Tin Misting: .201 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 09:16:03 PM
1006 Views
Re: Tin Misting: .202 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:04:35 AM
1114 Views
Tin Misting: .4 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:58:52 AM
1007 Views
Yes, I will. Tin Misting : .5 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:15:15 AM
1078 Views
Tin Misting : .7 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 02:28:47 PM
981 Views
Tin Misting : .8 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 02:43:32 PM
1051 Views
Tin Misting : .9 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 07:53:48 PM
903 Views
Tin Misting : .91 *NM*
- 18/02/2012 05:14:15 PM
1124 Views
Tin Misting : .95 *NM*
- 24/02/2012 04:31:03 PM
912 Views
No posts and no beer make beetnemesis something something
- 10/02/2012 03:07:53 PM
1788 Views
I'd have no problem - at all - with lynching Hieshyn.
- 10/02/2012 06:55:30 PM
1452 Views
I say we go for it
- 11/02/2012 04:57:52 PM
1628 Views
I expect him to get modkilled for inactivity.
- 11/02/2012 06:18:41 PM
1725 Views
Okay I guess I might as well say what I did last night...
- 10/02/2012 08:14:46 PM
1617 Views
Re: Okay I guess I might as well say what I did last night...
- 11/02/2012 01:57:48 PM
1639 Views
It doesn't implicate anyone...
- 11/02/2012 06:05:36 PM
1627 Views
Hmm
- 11/02/2012 06:22:31 PM
1580 Views
Erm... what is this about?
- 11/02/2012 06:24:42 PM
1585 Views
Nothing was happening...we needed information...
- 11/02/2012 10:36:21 PM
1494 Views
Hmm.
- 12/02/2012 03:04:00 AM
1698 Views
I didn't get anything
- 12/02/2012 04:54:53 AM
1635 Views
So neither of you got any flavour text regarding your night action/being targeted by a night action?
- 12/02/2012 05:38:53 AM
1557 Views
I got nothing.
- 12/02/2012 05:43:52 AM
1633 Views
^^OK yeah, so
- 13/02/2012 02:18:41 AM
1565 Views
Re: ^^OK yeah, so
- 13/02/2012 02:48:09 AM
1655 Views
Hah, I think it's funny that we didn't confirm until right now who was NK'd
- 13/02/2012 03:49:30 AM
1560 Views
I'd actually assumed this was the meaning.
- 13/02/2012 05:15:41 AM
1674 Views
But I soothed him into inactivity.
- 13/02/2012 08:42:51 PM
1568 Views
Right
- 13/02/2012 09:13:21 PM
1543 Views
ooh so you were roleblocked AND nightkilled? *NM*
- 14/02/2012 09:14:07 PM
1086 Views
Mob justice or get off the pot
- 13/02/2012 02:18:57 PM
1641 Views
Re: Mob justice or get off the pot
- 14/02/2012 01:47:36 AM
1614 Views
Cool. Vote: Hieshyn *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:54:36 AM
890 Views
Hmmm. . . . .
- 14/02/2012 05:16:41 AM
1664 Views
This kinda sums up the impression i"m getting reading through these.
- 14/02/2012 09:43:13 PM
1648 Views
Re: This kinda sums up the impression i"m getting reading through these.
- 14/02/2012 10:14:04 PM
1606 Views
Votes?
- 14/02/2012 05:45:22 AM
1529 Views
Technically, that's only 4 real votes, unless some people have extras. *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:46:43 AM
998 Views
Sorry, my real life was incredibly busy
- 14/02/2012 09:29:53 PM
1705 Views
Unvote: Hieshyn... now we get to track down who was lying
- 15/02/2012 12:34:25 AM
1747 Views
That's pretty useless...
- 15/02/2012 01:36:14 AM
1531 Views
OK so I'm guessing you want me to encode shit
- 16/02/2012 12:19:22 AM
1636 Views
Nope, no encoding. I'll explain:
- 16/02/2012 01:17:58 AM
1483 Views
Wound, Luthadel, Mistborn, wood *NM*
- 17/02/2012 11:51:56 PM
980 Views
Heh, everybody uses 'Wood'
- 19/02/2012 05:11:57 AM
1714 Views
How much trouble would I be in if all the poems were here in full?
- 19/02/2012 11:01:24 PM
1724 Views
Probably only for modquoting, I think.
- 20/02/2012 05:11:51 AM
1560 Views
Sorry I disappeared for a bit there and am still semi-RBIRL
- 21/02/2012 04:24:32 AM
1559 Views
I explicitly said during Day 1 I have never read the series
- 21/02/2012 06:43:49 PM
1585 Views
So I suppose what I'm trying to say
- 21/02/2012 07:37:18 PM
1772 Views
Ha, let's lynch Stephen
- 21/02/2012 10:43:11 PM
1520 Views
I don't know
- 21/02/2012 11:11:58 PM
1565 Views
No reason for what now?
- 22/02/2012 11:39:27 PM
1960 Views
As for this...
- 23/02/2012 10:05:52 AM
1595 Views
Just because F-T says he isn't guilty doesn't mean he isn't
- 22/02/2012 11:53:07 PM
1803 Views
Yes, this has been brought up
- 23/02/2012 09:18:00 AM
1622 Views
Upon reading the poems initially...
- 23/02/2012 03:00:11 PM
1660 Views
Re: Upon reading the poems initially...
- 23/02/2012 03:07:46 PM
1623 Views
If it was written by scum, I doubt they knew that everyone would get to read it.
- 23/02/2012 05:35:07 PM
1903 Views
If it was written by scum, I doubt they knew that everyone would get to read it.
- 23/02/2012 05:35:09 PM
1855 Views
Re: Upon reading the poems initially...
- 23/02/2012 06:06:29 PM
1529 Views
At this pointit seems unlikely, since theylied about it.
- 23/02/2012 06:40:34 PM
1570 Views
True.
- 23/02/2012 11:02:24 PM
1601 Views
That's possible, in which case I still think he's scum. Just not lynchable scum
.
- 24/02/2012 02:39:44 AM
1676 Views
.
- 24/02/2012 02:39:44 AM
1676 Views
Hey Lord Ruler
- 21/02/2012 07:14:01 PM
1540 Views
Ya know, I'm probably going to regret suggesting this but...
- 23/02/2012 07:03:59 PM
1622 Views
What exactly do we have to gain from a no-lynch?
- 23/02/2012 08:32:31 PM
1849 Views
Mostly just an end to the day
- 23/02/2012 09:42:18 PM
1587 Views
You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 02:46:57 AM
1646 Views
Re: You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 10:26:21 AM
1867 Views
Re: You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 12:27:01 PM
1688 Views
Re: You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 08:06:49 PM
1383 Views
Re: You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 08:16:28 PM
1632 Views
... *NM*
- 25/02/2012 02:05:00 AM
1040 Views
Vote: ? *NM*
- 26/02/2012 07:52:49 PM
1031 Views
You are trying to vote for yourself? *NM*
- 26/02/2012 09:44:09 PM
1003 Views
Yes. I was bored. No one had posted in a long time. Thus. Sorry. *NM*
- 26/02/2012 09:50:25 PM
1052 Views
Right, get a move on people.
- 28/02/2012 08:22:51 AM
1583 Views
I don't think we can re-lynch White Flame, can we? *NM*
- 28/02/2012 03:04:41 PM
1042 Views
We'll see. Vote: White Flame *NM*
- 28/02/2012 03:26:30 PM
924 Views
This isn't a great idea for experimentation
- 28/02/2012 07:10:32 PM
1715 Views
No new ideas so let's lynch the guy who was quiet for two weeks and came back with a vengence
- 02/03/2012 12:47:55 AM
1985 Views
I'm sorry.
- 02/03/2012 01:53:03 AM
1591 Views
This is exactly the problem I have with Mafia in general (OOC)
- 02/03/2012 02:06:17 AM
2065 Views
At my count (Votes)
- 02/03/2012 02:13:56 AM
1951 Views
Oh, and Fox and Ravens voted for Whiteflame *NM*
- 02/03/2012 02:14:59 AM
1186 Views
Can you make a case on anyone else?
- 02/03/2012 03:36:28 AM
1517 Views
Vote: Hieshyn
- 02/03/2012 06:50:08 PM
1959 Views
You're still not dead, Yuna unvoted you an hour ago
- 02/03/2012 07:18:50 PM
1695 Views
- 02/03/2012 07:18:50 PM
1695 Views
son of a bitch i never get to hammer
*NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:31:10 AM
1234 Views
*NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:31:10 AM
1234 Views
Well, to save time since you're not really dead-dead, town or scum? *NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:32:04 AM
1018 Views
Day 2 has ended.
- 05/03/2012 10:30:17 PM
1392 Views
New job?
- 06/03/2012 12:08:53 AM
1509 Views
So am I now dead-dead in this deathless game of mafia? *NM*
- 08/03/2012 12:58:57 AM
1254 Views
That's the same PM WF got, he's still in, you probably will be too *NM*
- 08/03/2012 05:33:25 AM
1091 Views
I'm thinking about calling this one, either way though I'm out.
- 02/04/2012 01:26:30 AM
1711 Views
Yeah, i've been tempted to say I'm out for a while too.
- 03/04/2012 02:01:52 AM
1534 Views
My friend just got a programming job in which the whole company plays Diplomacy
- 03/04/2012 02:17:41 AM
1364 Views
Re: My friend just got a programming job in which the whole company plays Diplomacy
- 03/04/2012 03:34:47 AM
1641 Views
Yeah, I only have the barest hints, but I got the impression that it could be done online *NM*
- 03/04/2012 02:44:41 PM
1105 Views
If rana doesn't think a backup mod would work, then...
- 03/04/2012 02:18:51 AM
1628 Views
Yeah
- 03/04/2012 04:41:08 AM
1570 Views
Me too.
- 03/04/2012 06:39:40 AM
1547 Views
Heh
- 05/04/2012 01:28:24 AM
1576 Views
Looks good, but I can't fully judge without knowing the lore behind it
.
- 05/04/2012 07:05:08 AM
1685 Views
.
- 05/04/2012 07:05:08 AM
1685 Views
me too, its allright to post it now? *NM*
- 05/04/2012 08:19:25 PM
977 Views
Yeah, I mean it's not like you're gonna get modkilled, right? *NM*
- 05/04/2012 08:54:48 PM
1083 Views
Yeah...
- 08/04/2012 04:49:10 AM
1557 Views
For the record, I was scum
- 09/04/2012 03:33:12 PM
1881 Views
Re: For the record, I was scum
- 10/04/2012 04:19:20 AM
1611 Views

*NM*
it. Vote: Hieshyn