First off, we probably have normal scum and this is then a futile gesture. Second, if we don't and my hypothesis about the lynchees turning into rebels is accurate, we can easily test that via a copping of anyone of them at some point down the road and clean sweep the entire group since we'd know who they were. Third, were that the case we'd have a debalanced game... those happen, and figuring those out has won many a game but if that's the case the game is simply broken and the final outcome really wouldn't reflect on anyone's skill. For all we know a second lynch might kill him for keeps, I also don't like the idea of lynching someone two days in a row for what will amount in both cases to very hazy cases.
Consider the logic there though, if lynching people turned them scum, what would lynching them again do? It wouldn't take very long for a game of that sort to turn into a route by one side or another. If they have a NK - and someone had to hit Praz last night one assumes - then they'd be increasing their number by 1 a day while decreasing ours, that's a much faster mechanic then normal attrition, Day 3 end game. Now if we're in the whole conversion or cult realm, it's just as possible they recruit nobles the way they did in the book... by killing one and replacing him with a shapeshifter. I do think there's some weird mechanics going on in this game and we need to consider option like this, but we're not ready to act on any of them... like that latter option, why assassinate a brand new player if you're seeking to either 1) Flip him to your team, 2) Remove a potential threat... Praz is playing pretty well IMHO but he's not a logical convert if you're say, a single person as cult leader recruiting a team, why not go after a more experienced player? As for #2, NK's don't silence someone, I don't doubt that should FT or I get our vote stripped we'd still be able to effectively lead lynches, so why bother? But I raise this just to point out that lynchee is hardly the only flavor appropriate way to turn people to the dark side, so to speak. Most likely WF is a townie still and Praz was hit for his mine.
Mostly this is just paranoid speculation on my part that I brought up as an example of abnormal mechanics, I've got about half a dozen other major hypothesis that are no more or less likely and that just happened to be the one that came to mind. I wouldn't mind checking it to eliminate it, but it's not worth the effective cost. That one was on my mind because I was wondering if the long night phase might have had a purpose, like allowing a scum team to built from scratch, so someone who just became scum would have time to lay plans and groundwork. But I really doubt that was the case. If a straight no lynch doesn't work for all of you, vote for Hieshyn or figure out who the least active player's been and knock them off... if they do turn scum may as well give them highly inactive players Personally I don't think there's anything else to be accomplished today.
Consider the logic there though, if lynching people turned them scum, what would lynching them again do? It wouldn't take very long for a game of that sort to turn into a route by one side or another. If they have a NK - and someone had to hit Praz last night one assumes - then they'd be increasing their number by 1 a day while decreasing ours, that's a much faster mechanic then normal attrition, Day 3 end game. Now if we're in the whole conversion or cult realm, it's just as possible they recruit nobles the way they did in the book... by killing one and replacing him with a shapeshifter. I do think there's some weird mechanics going on in this game and we need to consider option like this, but we're not ready to act on any of them... like that latter option, why assassinate a brand new player if you're seeking to either 1) Flip him to your team, 2) Remove a potential threat... Praz is playing pretty well IMHO but he's not a logical convert if you're say, a single person as cult leader recruiting a team, why not go after a more experienced player? As for #2, NK's don't silence someone, I don't doubt that should FT or I get our vote stripped we'd still be able to effectively lead lynches, so why bother? But I raise this just to point out that lynchee is hardly the only flavor appropriate way to turn people to the dark side, so to speak. Most likely WF is a townie still and Praz was hit for his mine.
Mostly this is just paranoid speculation on my part that I brought up as an example of abnormal mechanics, I've got about half a dozen other major hypothesis that are no more or less likely and that just happened to be the one that came to mind. I wouldn't mind checking it to eliminate it, but it's not worth the effective cost. That one was on my mind because I was wondering if the long night phase might have had a purpose, like allowing a scum team to built from scratch, so someone who just became scum would have time to lay plans and groundwork. But I really doubt that was the case. If a straight no lynch doesn't work for all of you, vote for Hieshyn or figure out who the least active player's been and knock them off... if they do turn scum may as well give them highly inactive players Personally I don't think there's anything else to be accomplished today.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Mafia XXV: Day 2
- 29/01/2012 04:30:46 PM
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Poetry Contest Round 2: Acrostic
- 29/01/2012 04:35:41 PM
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Acrostic? *NM*
- 29/01/2012 08:00:23 PM
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The first letter of each line makes either a word or phrase. *NM*
- 29/01/2012 11:31:56 PM
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So are Praz and White Flame still around? Can they talk? *NM*
- 30/01/2012 12:47:08 AM
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Yep
- 30/01/2012 02:20:09 PM
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Do you get a vote? *NM*
- 30/01/2012 02:27:26 PM
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Re: Do you get a vote?
- 30/01/2012 07:27:19 PM
1278 Views
I seem to recall that you can purchase obligators with Atium.
- 30/01/2012 10:53:36 PM
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AFAIK, I'm still here and good to go.
- 30/01/2012 10:14:11 PM
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No night messages or anything? I guess that's to be expected
- 31/01/2012 03:48:58 AM
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I suppose this won't hurt to say: I was a judge of the poetry contest.
- 31/01/2012 04:18:42 AM
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Judged as well- sounds like most if not all of us did
- 01/02/2012 01:53:36 PM
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Actually I think we should get a list of everyone who entered or didn't
- 01/02/2012 03:27:36 PM
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****Follow up**** (Table)
- 02/02/2012 04:24:30 PM
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I'm just going to say I highly doubt the contest has anything to do with anything.
- 03/02/2012 12:29:32 AM
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Hieshyn, Stephen, I'd really like your answers on this
- 04/02/2012 08:14:10 PM
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I gave my response
- 05/02/2012 04:59:28 PM
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D'oh! Sorry, Vote: Hieshyn
- 05/02/2012 05:01:26 PM
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You want to lynch him?
- 05/02/2012 06:55:12 PM
1392 Views
If he doesn't answer up, but we may as well move on
- 05/02/2012 07:50:02 PM
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Hm, ok
- 06/02/2012 01:21:00 AM
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Okay
- 06/02/2012 02:07:01 AM
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Re: Okay
- 06/02/2012 03:32:36 AM
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the 3 was a mistake
- 06/02/2012 06:12:48 PM
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We need you to verify all 4 then
- 06/02/2012 08:35:18 PM
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Re: We need you to verify all 4 then
- 06/02/2012 11:25:34 PM
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Re: We need you to verify all 4 then
- 07/02/2012 04:03:57 AM
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Re: We need you to verify all 4 then
- 07/02/2012 08:03:40 PM
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Thanks, one was enough
- 07/02/2012 09:43:41 PM
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- 07/02/2012 09:43:41 PM
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Day 2 Auctions
- 05/02/2012 10:37:13 PM
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I made individual auction threads, because I'm OCD that way
*NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:03:34 PM
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*NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:03:34 PM
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Iron Mine: .1 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:00:12 PM
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Mine .2 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 03:20:35 PM
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Mine 0.4 *NM*
- 12/02/2012 04:55:22 AM
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Mine 0.5 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 08:45:51 PM
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Mine 0.81 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 09:13:56 PM
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Mine 0.9 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 09:14:49 PM
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Mine 1.17 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 10:09:52 PM
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Mine 1.2 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:17:36 AM
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Mine 1.26 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:37:51 AM
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Mine 1.3 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:04:09 AM
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Mine 1.4 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:00:17 AM
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Mine 1.5 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:07:58 AM
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Mine 1.8 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:31:38 AM
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Mine: 2.0 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:34:49 AM
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Shop: .1 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:00:55 PM
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Shop: .28 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 10:38:55 PM
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Shop .4
- 07/02/2012 04:16:55 PM
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Shop .45 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 05:15:34 AM
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Shop .5 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 01:33:29 PM
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Shop .7 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 02:12:49 PM
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Shop .8 --> I want my freedom =( *NM*
- 09/02/2012 02:42:27 PM
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Shop .91 *NM*
- 11/02/2012 09:33:23 PM
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Shop 1.0 *NM*
- 11/02/2012 10:27:12 PM
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Re: Shop 1.01 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:03:41 AM
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Shop 1.1 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:45:47 AM
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Shop 1.2 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:01:05 AM
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Shop 1.22 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:18:09 AM
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Shop 1.53 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:37:35 AM
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Shop 1.6 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 02:27:54 PM
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Shop 1.62 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 06:27:18 PM
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Shop 2.3 *NM*
- 16/02/2012 12:21:01 AM
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Shop 2.31 *NM*
- 18/02/2012 05:15:53 PM
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Shop 2.56578443992021083401 *NM*
- 19/02/2012 03:44:52 AM
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Shop 2.56578443992021083402
- 19/02/2012 05:38:55 AM
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Slave: .1 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:01:26 PM
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Slave .3 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 03:21:08 PM
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Slave .35 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 10:38:31 PM
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Slave .5 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 10:42:16 PM
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Slave .81 *NM*
- 07/02/2012 12:19:48 AM
956 Views
Well, now you're just being a jerk
. Slave: 1 *NM*
- 07/02/2012 08:42:16 PM
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. Slave: 1 *NM*
- 07/02/2012 08:42:16 PM
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Slave: 1.15 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 02:35:32 PM
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Slave: 1.3 *NM*
- 11/02/2012 05:42:33 PM
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Slave: 1.4 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:03:53 AM
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Slave: 1.5 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:57:59 AM
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Slave: 1.6 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:07:33 AM
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Slave: 1.75 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:35:34 AM
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Slave: 2.0 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:36:14 AM
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I think we're hammered *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:40:36 AM
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Slave: 2.1 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 02:28:24 PM
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Slave: 2.2 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:51:40 PM
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Slave: 2.3 I'm curious about those extra actions, dammit! *NM*
- 14/02/2012 07:53:03 PM
832 Views
Slave 2.4... what extra actions?
- 15/02/2012 12:38:36 AM
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Slave 2.5 well, "other potential effects," then
- 15/02/2012 03:50:54 AM
1294 Views
Slave: 2.51
- 21/02/2012 11:18:02 PM
1520 Views
Slave: 2.6- don't you want to be slave-buddies?
- 24/02/2012 04:30:54 PM
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Slave: 2.7 you have no idea how ironic that is
*NM*
- 02/03/2012 02:50:25 AM
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*NM*
- 02/03/2012 02:50:25 AM
848 Views
Slave: 2.8 the only way I'll know is with a slave! *NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:29:47 AM
859 Views
Slave: 2.9 but I think Stephen already hammered
*NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:31:13 AM
944 Views
*NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:31:13 AM
944 Views
Slave: 3.0 yeah, I'm on my phone, so I bid before seeing. And am bidding now just in case! *NM*
- 03/03/2012 02:41:31 AM
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Tin Misting: .1 *NM*
- 06/02/2012 02:02:48 PM
980 Views
Tin Misting: .2 *NM*
- 09/02/2012 04:36:38 AM
970 Views
Tin Misting: .201 *NM*
- 13/02/2012 09:16:03 PM
909 Views
Re: Tin Misting: .202 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 01:04:35 AM
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Tin Misting: .4 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:58:52 AM
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Yes, I will. Tin Misting : .5 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 04:15:15 AM
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Tin Misting : .7 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 02:28:47 PM
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Tin Misting : .8 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 02:43:32 PM
958 Views
Tin Misting : .9 *NM*
- 14/02/2012 07:53:48 PM
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Tin Misting : .91 *NM*
- 18/02/2012 05:14:15 PM
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Tin Misting : .95 *NM*
- 24/02/2012 04:31:03 PM
823 Views
No posts and no beer make beetnemesis something something
- 10/02/2012 03:07:53 PM
1624 Views
I'd have no problem - at all - with lynching Hieshyn.
- 10/02/2012 06:55:30 PM
1305 Views
I say we go for it
- 11/02/2012 04:57:52 PM
1493 Views
I expect him to get modkilled for inactivity.
- 11/02/2012 06:18:41 PM
1568 Views
Okay I guess I might as well say what I did last night...
- 10/02/2012 08:14:46 PM
1483 Views
Re: Okay I guess I might as well say what I did last night...
- 11/02/2012 01:57:48 PM
1482 Views
It doesn't implicate anyone...
- 11/02/2012 06:05:36 PM
1485 Views
Hmm
- 11/02/2012 06:22:31 PM
1441 Views
Erm... what is this about?
- 11/02/2012 06:24:42 PM
1449 Views
Nothing was happening...we needed information...
- 11/02/2012 10:36:21 PM
1351 Views
Hmm.
- 12/02/2012 03:04:00 AM
1558 Views
I didn't get anything
- 12/02/2012 04:54:53 AM
1480 Views
So neither of you got any flavour text regarding your night action/being targeted by a night action?
- 12/02/2012 05:38:53 AM
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I got nothing.
- 12/02/2012 05:43:52 AM
1481 Views
^^OK yeah, so
- 13/02/2012 02:18:41 AM
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Re: ^^OK yeah, so
- 13/02/2012 02:48:09 AM
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Hah, I think it's funny that we didn't confirm until right now who was NK'd
- 13/02/2012 03:49:30 AM
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I'd actually assumed this was the meaning.
- 13/02/2012 05:15:41 AM
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But I soothed him into inactivity.
- 13/02/2012 08:42:51 PM
1420 Views
Right
- 13/02/2012 09:13:21 PM
1409 Views
ooh so you were roleblocked AND nightkilled? *NM*
- 14/02/2012 09:14:07 PM
993 Views
Mob justice or get off the pot
- 13/02/2012 02:18:57 PM
1495 Views
Re: Mob justice or get off the pot
- 14/02/2012 01:47:36 AM
1477 Views
Cool. Vote: Hieshyn *NM*
- 14/02/2012 03:54:36 AM
812 Views
Hmmm. . . . .
- 14/02/2012 05:16:41 AM
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This kinda sums up the impression i"m getting reading through these.
- 14/02/2012 09:43:13 PM
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Re: This kinda sums up the impression i"m getting reading through these.
- 14/02/2012 10:14:04 PM
1452 Views
Votes?
- 14/02/2012 05:45:22 AM
1388 Views
Technically, that's only 4 real votes, unless some people have extras. *NM*
- 14/02/2012 05:46:43 AM
918 Views
Sorry, my real life was incredibly busy
- 14/02/2012 09:29:53 PM
1576 Views
Unvote: Hieshyn... now we get to track down who was lying
- 15/02/2012 12:34:25 AM
1591 Views
That's pretty useless...
- 15/02/2012 01:36:14 AM
1393 Views
OK so I'm guessing you want me to encode shit
- 16/02/2012 12:19:22 AM
1508 Views
Nope, no encoding. I'll explain:
- 16/02/2012 01:17:58 AM
1330 Views
Wound, Luthadel, Mistborn, wood *NM*
- 17/02/2012 11:51:56 PM
900 Views
Heh, everybody uses 'Wood'
- 19/02/2012 05:11:57 AM
1563 Views
How much trouble would I be in if all the poems were here in full?
- 19/02/2012 11:01:24 PM
1557 Views
Probably only for modquoting, I think.
- 20/02/2012 05:11:51 AM
1421 Views
Sorry I disappeared for a bit there and am still semi-RBIRL
- 21/02/2012 04:24:32 AM
1407 Views
I explicitly said during Day 1 I have never read the series
- 21/02/2012 06:43:49 PM
1443 Views
So I suppose what I'm trying to say
- 21/02/2012 07:37:18 PM
1616 Views
Ha, let's lynch Stephen
- 21/02/2012 10:43:11 PM
1373 Views
I don't know
- 21/02/2012 11:11:58 PM
1426 Views
No reason for what now?
- 22/02/2012 11:39:27 PM
1824 Views
As for this...
- 23/02/2012 10:05:52 AM
1459 Views
Just because F-T says he isn't guilty doesn't mean he isn't
- 22/02/2012 11:53:07 PM
1663 Views
Yes, this has been brought up
- 23/02/2012 09:18:00 AM
1463 Views
Upon reading the poems initially...
- 23/02/2012 03:00:11 PM
1516 Views
Re: Upon reading the poems initially...
- 23/02/2012 03:07:46 PM
1452 Views
If it was written by scum, I doubt they knew that everyone would get to read it.
- 23/02/2012 05:35:07 PM
1741 Views
If it was written by scum, I doubt they knew that everyone would get to read it.
- 23/02/2012 05:35:09 PM
1703 Views
Re: Upon reading the poems initially...
- 23/02/2012 06:06:29 PM
1401 Views
At this pointit seems unlikely, since theylied about it.
- 23/02/2012 06:40:34 PM
1435 Views
True.
- 23/02/2012 11:02:24 PM
1443 Views
That's possible, in which case I still think he's scum. Just not lynchable scum
.
- 24/02/2012 02:39:44 AM
1546 Views
.
- 24/02/2012 02:39:44 AM
1546 Views
Hey Lord Ruler
- 21/02/2012 07:14:01 PM
1406 Views
Ya know, I'm probably going to regret suggesting this but...
- 23/02/2012 07:03:59 PM
1479 Views
What exactly do we have to gain from a no-lynch?
- 23/02/2012 08:32:31 PM
1708 Views
Mostly just an end to the day
- 23/02/2012 09:42:18 PM
1454 Views
You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 02:46:57 AM
1493 Views
Re: You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 10:26:21 AM
1714 Views
Re: You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 12:27:01 PM
1539 Views
Re: You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 08:06:49 PM
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Re: You raise an intriguing question.
- 24/02/2012 08:16:28 PM
1477 Views
... *NM*
- 25/02/2012 02:05:00 AM
952 Views
Vote: ? *NM*
- 26/02/2012 07:52:49 PM
940 Views
You are trying to vote for yourself? *NM*
- 26/02/2012 09:44:09 PM
925 Views
Yes. I was bored. No one had posted in a long time. Thus. Sorry. *NM*
- 26/02/2012 09:50:25 PM
960 Views
Right, get a move on people.
- 28/02/2012 08:22:51 AM
1443 Views
I don't think we can re-lynch White Flame, can we? *NM*
- 28/02/2012 03:04:41 PM
961 Views
We'll see. Vote: White Flame *NM*
- 28/02/2012 03:26:30 PM
842 Views
This isn't a great idea for experimentation
- 28/02/2012 07:10:32 PM
1564 Views
No new ideas so let's lynch the guy who was quiet for two weeks and came back with a vengence
- 02/03/2012 12:47:55 AM
1828 Views
I'm sorry.
- 02/03/2012 01:53:03 AM
1458 Views
This is exactly the problem I have with Mafia in general (OOC)
- 02/03/2012 02:06:17 AM
1927 Views
At my count (Votes)
- 02/03/2012 02:13:56 AM
1809 Views
Oh, and Fox and Ravens voted for Whiteflame *NM*
- 02/03/2012 02:14:59 AM
1085 Views
Can you make a case on anyone else?
- 02/03/2012 03:36:28 AM
1382 Views
Vote: Hieshyn
- 02/03/2012 06:50:08 PM
1811 Views
You're still not dead, Yuna unvoted you an hour ago
- 02/03/2012 07:18:50 PM
1559 Views
- 02/03/2012 07:18:50 PM
1559 Views
son of a bitch i never get to hammer
*NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:31:10 AM
1152 Views
*NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:31:10 AM
1152 Views
Well, to save time since you're not really dead-dead, town or scum? *NM*
- 03/03/2012 12:32:04 AM
936 Views
Day 2 has ended.
- 05/03/2012 10:30:17 PM
1251 Views
New job?
- 06/03/2012 12:08:53 AM
1377 Views
So am I now dead-dead in this deathless game of mafia? *NM*
- 08/03/2012 12:58:57 AM
1125 Views
That's the same PM WF got, he's still in, you probably will be too *NM*
- 08/03/2012 05:33:25 AM
988 Views
I'm thinking about calling this one, either way though I'm out.
- 02/04/2012 01:26:30 AM
1579 Views
Yeah, i've been tempted to say I'm out for a while too.
- 03/04/2012 02:01:52 AM
1388 Views
My friend just got a programming job in which the whole company plays Diplomacy
- 03/04/2012 02:17:41 AM
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Re: My friend just got a programming job in which the whole company plays Diplomacy
- 03/04/2012 03:34:47 AM
1504 Views
Yeah, I only have the barest hints, but I got the impression that it could be done online *NM*
- 03/04/2012 02:44:41 PM
1012 Views
If rana doesn't think a backup mod would work, then...
- 03/04/2012 02:18:51 AM
1462 Views
Yeah
- 03/04/2012 04:41:08 AM
1422 Views
Me too.
- 03/04/2012 06:39:40 AM
1401 Views
Heh
- 05/04/2012 01:28:24 AM
1428 Views
Looks good, but I can't fully judge without knowing the lore behind it
.
- 05/04/2012 07:05:08 AM
1550 Views
.
- 05/04/2012 07:05:08 AM
1550 Views
me too, its allright to post it now? *NM*
- 05/04/2012 08:19:25 PM
883 Views
Yeah, I mean it's not like you're gonna get modkilled, right? *NM*
- 05/04/2012 08:54:48 PM
993 Views
Yeah...
- 08/04/2012 04:49:10 AM
1415 Views
For the record, I was scum
- 09/04/2012 03:33:12 PM
1740 Views
Re: For the record, I was scum
- 10/04/2012 04:19:20 AM
1446 Views

*NM*
it. Vote: Hieshyn