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Zerg Cult seems pretty probable right now, so let's analyze that Isaac Send a noteboard - 02/07/2012 11:39:47 AM
Unless someone blocked a NK or they bluffed by not throwing theirs if they have one, neither of which is particularly improbable. In their shoes I might bluff the cult route if I weren't just to keep those who were probable marines as targets for suspicion.

Meaning one of us (probably the screamer) was a marine yesterday and is now a zerg cult member. Guessing cult conversion is as hard as NK options, but the usual thinking goes, for NK, in the absence of them having evidence for a power role to remove, go for a player who is a big threat or go for a player who is very unlikely to be docced or watched. Same for a cult with a twist, grab a player who either won't draw attention or grab a player who you expect to be useful to your cause. This generally amounts to the same choices as a NK would, and the calculus on who to select either drives someone for one or the other or a combination thereof. That is to say, 'who is the player no one will notice, or rather second least likely to' and similar.

By my totally non-altruistic reasoning that last bit excludes me, I am essentially 'too obvious', plus a night action magnet with way too high of odds of something going wrong. People are always overly cautious and pessimistic on the dark side and assume townies have way more foresight and cunning then they do, so they try to be unpredictable. And, well, generally there's absolutely nothing unpredictable in murdering or converting Yours Truly. Alternatively we have plenty of good strategists and no weak links to avoid, there simply are no newbs in this game. Anyone makes a good convert of those in game. The next person who comes to mind on the 'Suspicion on general principle' is rangrande, but he's actually also fairly improbable. You might not have thought of him as obvious yet, but a scummer would have. Quite a few people would be pondering him as someone to remove from the equation for fear he'd have cracked their code or hope he might crack the docs. That's unlikely, objectively speaking, but that never matters. The scummer will think about it and they'll probably say 'They'll expect that, better not'. Lone scummers do tend to be more reckless/courageous than committee run Councils of Doom but we all know the sorts of bet hedging and second guessing that tends to come with being a scummer or a power role. So, while I wouldn't rule him out, and nobody is obviously going to rule me out, we're a little too obvious and just not so likely as a result. Especially since we both have reps for evil sinister plans and the reality is while a relative newb might be tempted to grab us as an ally, we don't really have anyone who'd fit that. This isn't, sans protoss SK, a particularly tricky op to run as cult. Last night, the odds would have pointed to 'convert 2 players on night 1 and 2, get 1 townie lynched on day 2, 3v3 Day 3 victory'. There's no need to gamble, and there's no one new enough to the game to miss that. They just need a convert who isn't a weak link and again, there simply aren't any selections of that sort available.

Frankly we're probably LyLo right now and disadvantaged, 2 in 7 chance of picking a bad guy, plus whatever odds on someone having lucked out on a night action last night or tonight, which aren't bad actually. If someone has a magic Zerg detector they would have had 1 in 6, maybe 2 in 6 if conversion was deemed to predate detection in Night Action Order by mod. Similar odds a vig, one shot or full time, nails someone tonight or someone with anti-infection ability exists and is targeted or targets the right guy or whatever. So it's not quite as bleak as 2 in 7 Lylo implies, and we might not be dealing with a standard cult or even a cult, nobody needs to risk converting a Usual Suspect in the hopes we'll cough up a a Xanatos Gambit, just don't get lynched for one more day and pull of a pair of succesful conversions on nights 1 and 2, not complex. Small game, they might only have it every other night, or can only do it once before becoming a normal scum faction, etc.

Still, for right now, I think we should assume we have 2 zerg, call it Overlord and Drone 1, OL and 1, and are LyLo... hopefully someone has something to better our odds of finding OL or 1. No lynch is on the table only if we have roles who can prevent infection or kill at night, otherwise we go into day 3 as 4-3 and a successful lynch would merely make us 4-3 on Night 3, 3-4 on Day 4. There are actually good odds we do have something that decreases the odds of Night 2 or 3 cult victory but I think, unless someone's got something good, that our best plan of action is to find the OL. They're likely be easier to find as they may not know things #1 knew yesterday, and killing them might end cult conversion ability.


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About that last one - 10/07/2012 08:27:35 AM 566 Views
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