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Well, ok then. Dannymac Send a noteboard - 12/04/2013 06:02:04 PM

Guess I'm down for it if only to keep things moving.


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it is very common for us to reach the point of the 'mass roleclaim', the scum have to come up with fake ones, often these overlap or conflict with existing roleclaims and we can bag someone. However, the scum will tend to try to use existing knowledge to minimize that risk. if we start claiming and person 3 says 'i'm a doc' then the scum know not to claim doc.

by ciphering we ensure everyone has made their claim before they have seen other people's claims. then when they are all in, we decipher, if someone refuses, or 'loses' their key, or was needlessly vague, we lynch them, and we then can look at all the roles and see what fits and what doesn't.

a tracker and a cop and a watcher with only 10 players? one is surely lying, possibly two

5 out of 8 players claiming vanilla (no role power)? too many, one or more is lying.

... and so on, we've done this many times and usually very effectively, we've just never done a coded mass roleclaim and decode on day 1 before. in this case we have little to lose, our cop is already exposed with no leads as a result. but our opposition has a lot. they probably haven't spoken yet, they don't know anything about each other, they won't have discussed fake claims. they will make a mistake, we will have a good chance to get one of them today and a better net chance of exposing them to our own roles. a blitz now will seriously minimize their future ability to make a seamless smooth cover even if we don't get one.

there's also death toll. if there's 2 of them and 6 of us and we get one today we almost certainly win. all the various factors make it very hard to hide as a lone scummer for round after round especially if the town has roles and you either had no roleblocker, just lost them, or have to skip roleblocking in favor of night kills.

alternatively even if both survive today and we go into tomorrow 4-2, which is what will probably happen if we don't blitz now, we have an entire day to compare the dead bodies and their posthumously revealed roles to what people have claimed, along with anything else gleaned during the night. if we can't find a solid inconsistency we can no lynch and go into day 3 3-2, one more night and one more body to find an inconsistency off of. But if we wait to mass roleclaim the scum will probably have two dead townies to calibrate off of plus a whole night to talk to each other about fake claims.

lastly, we have to consider the very real possibility we're in an atypical game. those happen reasonably frequently by design or accident. you could have a game that is not town v scum, and even more off the beaten path then a sk or cult in there. you could have no scum, a pure townie game where we butcher ourselves into oblivion and the last two people standing win for instance. we had a game once where almost every player was a cop, but a flawed one. if we have one of those weirder setups this will give us a good chance to see it.


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Day 1 – “And so… it begins” – Kosh Naranek - 11/03/2013 09:51:19 AM 1725 Views
List of players - 11/03/2013 09:52:43 AM 765 Views
let's get to assigning questions! - 11/03/2013 11:42:05 AM 758 Views
So did anything happen to anyone during 'Night 0'? *NM* - 11/03/2013 05:35:51 PM 407 Views
I assume somerhing did happen as our mod asked for night actions... - 13/03/2013 10:12:58 AM 731 Views
Hm. 8 players... probably 2 scum, + something else? - 13/03/2013 02:59:49 PM 619 Views
Re: Hm. 8 players... probably 2 scum, + something else? - 13/03/2013 06:46:01 PM 692 Views
I'm still rather confused by the point of day and night 0 - 13/03/2013 09:10:40 PM 678 Views
Re: I'm still rather confused by the point of day and night 0 - 13/03/2013 10:46:33 PM 679 Views
Night 0 relevant info - 02/04/2013 11:46:05 AM 654 Views
So if I understand this correctly... - 13/03/2013 09:39:32 PM 678 Views
Hm. I was assuming this was going to be a Hieshyn nightkill - 11/03/2013 05:45:22 PM 553 Views
Modkill warning - 13/03/2013 03:56:04 PM 682 Views
Vote: Hieshyn - 14/03/2013 07:57:01 AM 724 Views
I generally prefer modkills to lynches... - 14/03/2013 07:24:52 PM 707 Views
Don't do it! *NM* - 17/03/2013 11:57:25 PM 408 Views
So shall we do these questions? - 14/03/2013 02:18:21 PM 763 Views
yep - 2 questions of your pick or your random one - 14/03/2013 09:21:10 PM 558 Views
questions (table) - 14/03/2013 09:28:55 PM 799 Views
Your list of questions includes is off by one because it includes '1' twice - 14/03/2013 10:51:40 PM 678 Views
weird too, go into reply or edit and it has 1-6 *NM* - 15/03/2013 01:08:53 AM 403 Views
weird too, go into reply or edit and it has 1-6 *NM* - 15/03/2013 01:08:53 AM 295 Views
it literally deletes my numbers and replaces them - 15/03/2013 01:13:00 AM 649 Views
I've edited it for you. - 15/03/2013 03:35:56 AM 670 Views
... and now it is missing spaces - 15/03/2013 04:25:52 AM 694 Views
Urgh. I don't want to figure this out, I've got Heart of the Swarm to play . - 15/03/2013 05:50:26 AM 620 Views
ah, i'd been seeing adds for that, enjoy - 15/03/2013 09:09:50 AM 755 Views
Well, it is SciFi - 15/03/2013 09:32:53 AM 566 Views
answer to 4: my character is female *NM* - 15/03/2013 08:10:02 AM 282 Views
Am I humanoid? Yes. *NM* - 15/03/2013 01:56:34 PM 395 Views
answer to number one: no *NM* - 15/03/2013 07:51:06 PM 502 Views
I am so confused. - 17/03/2013 03:33:40 AM 598 Views
Ha ha, if you need help: NB me - 17/03/2013 07:46:34 PM 550 Views
Answer to number 3: Work *NM* - 17/03/2013 10:44:56 PM 439 Views
another question I just thought of... - 19/03/2013 08:49:12 AM 771 Views
Erm... I haven't actually done anything wrong. - 19/03/2013 05:11:22 PM 603 Views
i also am not apparently criminal - 19/03/2013 06:36:21 PM 730 Views
Re: i also am not apparently criminal - 19/03/2013 08:59:49 PM 678 Views
Vote: Taiga - 19/03/2013 10:44:28 PM 670 Views
Vote: Fanatic-Templar - 20/03/2013 04:17:20 PM 645 Views
Don't want to reveal? I don't even know! - 20/03/2013 05:05:05 PM 689 Views
You, on the other hand... - 20/03/2013 05:06:09 PM 704 Views
Re: You, on the other hand... - 21/03/2013 12:52:33 PM 664 Views
Yeah, I'm not a criminal either... *NM* - 20/03/2013 02:39:22 PM 376 Views
Vote- Isaac - 18/03/2013 04:47:36 AM 648 Views
I say we have an in-depth discussion on what type of porn Isaac watches *NM* - 18/03/2013 01:52:10 PM 393 Views
Something sneaky and suspicious, I'm sure. Suprise buttsex? *NM* - 18/03/2013 05:21:42 PM 401 Views
I reckon it's all innocuously titled but really weird when you watch it. *NM* - 19/03/2013 11:45:02 PM 405 Views
there's innocously titled porn? - 20/03/2013 05:36:21 AM 740 Views
:p even the brand new player instantly suspects me *NM* - 19/03/2013 06:29:26 PM 394 Views
Wise, the young one is. *NM* - 19/03/2013 07:59:15 PM 363 Views
A quick announcement - 18/03/2013 09:08:57 AM 494 Views
Total agreement! Unvote! *NM* - 18/03/2013 10:16:42 AM 288 Views
Nice! *NM* - 18/03/2013 01:52:50 PM 427 Views
The replacement is galadriel3562 - 18/03/2013 06:59:52 PM 704 Views
Why does everyone think I eat people? - 18/03/2013 10:43:32 PM 679 Views
Why do you think that you don't? - 19/03/2013 04:24:59 AM 554 Views
Re: Why do you think that you don't? - 20/03/2013 11:09:08 PM 695 Views
An introduction & answer to question - 19/03/2013 07:11:09 AM 601 Views
do you guys want to do a 2nd round of questions? - 19/03/2013 06:33:40 PM 541 Views
I more or less proposed that... - 19/03/2013 09:03:24 PM 634 Views
A summary of the first round of questions: - 20/03/2013 02:43:30 PM 697 Views
So, are the Non-Aligned Worlds super common? - 20/03/2013 02:45:18 PM 680 Views
IMHO not very suspicious... - 20/03/2013 04:21:45 PM 624 Views
If being from a non-aligned world is not terribly suspicious... - 20/03/2013 05:27:31 PM 610 Views
Yeah, none would fall for that one anymore. *NM* - 20/03/2013 05:38:24 PM 395 Views
I favour going after Taiga. - 20/03/2013 08:53:18 PM 641 Views
Re: I favour going after Taiga. - 20/03/2013 09:17:57 PM 762 Views
Hah. That would be awesome. - 20/03/2013 09:46:56 PM 551 Views
Re: I favour going after Taiga. - 21/03/2013 12:57:15 PM 625 Views
Also, I have a great singing voice. *NM* - 20/03/2013 07:53:49 PM 423 Views
I'm at PAX till Sunday, so I'll be mostly out of touch (RBIRL) - 22/03/2013 04:26:39 AM 693 Views
OH MY GOD! - 22/03/2013 07:24:34 PM 687 Views
Who? What? What's that? - 23/03/2013 12:47:02 PM 573 Views
I'm having trouble following what is going on. - 22/03/2013 04:29:32 PM 653 Views
Presumably this helps. - 22/03/2013 04:44:44 PM 672 Views
not backing away, explaining - 23/03/2013 01:07:19 PM 697 Views
Being in jail doesn't necessarily mean one is jailed justly. - 23/03/2013 01:29:36 PM 666 Views
Agree with the sentiment of being unjustly jailed but... - 23/03/2013 03:01:26 PM 668 Views
Right, but the point here is... - 23/03/2013 04:11:08 PM 660 Views
I think we're all missing the point here. - 24/03/2013 04:19:12 AM 683 Views
Re: I think we're all missing the point here. - 24/03/2013 10:30:14 AM 661 Views
All I know is what I learned in face to face to Mafia. - 24/03/2013 03:21:42 PM 705 Views
The gag here is Isaac is always suspected by everyone, no matter what he does. *NM* - 24/03/2013 06:13:11 PM 415 Views
Always suspected, never lynched. - 24/03/2013 07:49:00 PM 642 Views
Indeed. Dannymac will fit right in. *NM* - 24/03/2013 09:22:55 PM 365 Views
The "Taiga is likely a criminal" angle seems decently strong - 25/03/2013 03:46:26 PM 662 Views
Re: The "Taiga is likely a criminal" angle seems decently strong - 25/03/2013 05:12:14 PM 581 Views
Finally were moving ahead. Vote:Taiga - 25/03/2013 07:40:31 PM 668 Views
oh man - 26/03/2013 12:20:26 PM 747 Views
That's enough for now. Unvote. - 26/03/2013 01:01:25 PM 615 Views
yep, square 1. Sorry for that. *NM* - 26/03/2013 01:22:10 PM 287 Views
Devil's advocate: Taiga didn't really offer anything here - 26/03/2013 02:38:21 PM 572 Views
i agree, i think i'm more suspiscious - 26/03/2013 05:08:33 PM 740 Views
Lore question! - 26/03/2013 10:06:06 PM 630 Views
lore answer - 26/03/2013 10:34:54 PM 639 Views
Ooh, "rogue telepath" would be a sweet role. Do the Centauris have any telepath connections? - 27/03/2013 01:47:59 AM 525 Views
only the narn lack telepaths - 27/03/2013 02:37:22 AM 569 Views
Unvote- Isaac, Vote- Taiga - 26/03/2013 07:40:56 PM 756 Views
Re: Unvote- Isaac, Vote- Taiga - 26/03/2013 10:20:58 PM 706 Views
You are making a mistake - 27/03/2013 10:09:41 PM 673 Views
Almost certainly true. - 28/03/2013 04:54:49 AM 768 Views
A roleclaim could save you, at this point - 28/03/2013 12:17:18 PM 617 Views
Agree on the RC - 29/03/2013 11:35:54 PM 625 Views
role - 30/03/2013 09:48:28 AM 678 Views
Unvote - 30/03/2013 04:39:53 PM 605 Views
role - 30/03/2013 09:50:25 AM 622 Views
i think you're lying, there's no such thing as a p1 psi cop - 30/03/2013 09:54:44 PM 652 Views
You're right - 01/04/2013 03:11:16 PM 650 Views
So, what are you saying? - 02/04/2013 06:42:33 PM 576 Views
Ok, Taiga. Crashing the site in order to survive was going too far. - 29/03/2013 04:43:04 PM 648 Views
I agree.... :-> - 29/03/2013 04:52:03 PM 589 Views
Aye, the cheaty guy! *NM* - 29/03/2013 08:16:55 PM 416 Views
He crashed the site again? - 01/04/2013 03:15:54 PM 707 Views
Unvote. Unless anyone claims Taiga is lying? *NM* - 30/03/2013 06:41:13 PM 292 Views
yes, i think so - 30/03/2013 10:14:22 PM 643 Views
The site had to crash the time I have a 4 day weekend - 02/04/2013 07:23:20 PM 724 Views
I think it depends on if the lore makes sense. Isaac, what do you think of Taiga's explanation? *NM* - 03/04/2013 03:03:49 PM 395 Views
This, pretty much. *NM* - 03/04/2013 07:56:22 PM 265 Views
basically it's not very likely but is possible, anyway it doens't matter - 04/04/2013 12:15:12 PM 715 Views
I'd been thinking the same thing. - 04/04/2013 06:19:57 PM 675 Views
In fact, I unvoted because of this. - 05/04/2013 06:55:32 PM 645 Views
hypothesis - 02/04/2013 08:57:46 PM 728 Views
I'm not sure... - 03/04/2013 11:17:08 PM 625 Views
Vote: No lynch - 04/04/2013 08:34:36 AM 546 Views
Re: Vote: No lynch - 04/04/2013 12:16:18 PM 583 Views
No lynch equals mafia win. - 04/04/2013 02:14:08 PM 722 Views
Flying to a Funeral tomorow. - 04/04/2013 06:29:24 AM 674 Views
Taiga's situation, as I see it. - 04/04/2013 03:02:29 PM 743 Views
as I said before: go kill the cop - 04/04/2013 03:25:11 PM 588 Views
you probably shouldn't tempt us - 04/04/2013 07:51:20 PM 647 Views
my rm doesn't say anything about what business, just a regular business woman. *NM* - 05/04/2013 08:05:47 AM 363 Views
ah, well then, vote: taiga - 05/04/2013 09:05:44 AM 683 Views
also... - 05/04/2013 09:14:39 AM 635 Views
Re: Taiga's situation, as I see it. - 04/04/2013 05:19:28 PM 692 Views
I was scum in my first game too *NM* - 05/04/2013 08:06:39 AM 284 Views
Actually, that's a good point. Vote: Taiga - 04/04/2013 05:54:41 PM 679 Views
Come on, folks. Let's get to day 2. - 08/04/2013 05:56:47 PM 715 Views
Hm, yeah, I had assumed we hit the required number of votes for some reason - 08/04/2013 06:07:25 PM 548 Views
we need 5, also still waiting for people to claim it's a false claim - 08/04/2013 06:18:34 PM 550 Views
I thought that was pretty implicit in my claims of waiting for a cop claim. - 08/04/2013 09:21:17 PM 652 Views
such being the case we can go through those who have voted for him or supported it - 08/04/2013 10:40:11 PM 582 Views
Very well. Then consider this my official non-cop claim . - 08/04/2013 11:09:32 PM 713 Views
let me detail this for clarity for the others, as a question we both answered "no" to (table) - 08/04/2013 11:50:39 PM 682 Views
also, unvote: taiga, for now at least - 08/04/2013 11:54:32 PM 761 Views
To the best of my knowledge, I am just your everyday townie. - 09/04/2013 01:29:12 AM 719 Views
Re: To the best of my knowledge, I am just your everyday townie. - 09/04/2013 03:04:07 AM 655 Views
"overly enthusiastic about the lynch..." - 09/04/2013 07:13:12 AM 710 Views
The number of DF is not set. - 09/04/2013 08:32:31 AM 695 Views
Gibbed? SK? - 09/04/2013 04:31:53 PM 646 Views
Re: "overly enthusiastic about the lynch..." - 09/04/2013 10:32:37 AM 698 Views
While I'm a bit reluctant to divulge this... - 09/04/2013 07:21:55 AM 713 Views
Please clarify yourself.. *NM* - 09/04/2013 10:22:00 AM 390 Views
no-cop claim - 09/04/2013 04:32:22 PM 662 Views
Clarify what? - 09/04/2013 07:09:24 PM 714 Views
Re: Clarify what? - 09/04/2013 07:46:03 PM 678 Views
Eh? - 09/04/2013 10:48:55 PM 700 Views
My role is perfectly clear as well. - 09/04/2013 11:44:23 PM 707 Views
So we're waiting for someone to make a fatal error and make this easy? - 10/04/2013 04:49:46 AM 565 Views
Hm. - 10/04/2013 04:06:04 PM 610 Views
still waiting on official disclaimers from lucy and lassi - 10/04/2013 06:25:44 PM 608 Views
Not a cop. *NM* - 10/04/2013 06:35:46 PM 297 Views
one to go then *NM* - 10/04/2013 06:42:16 PM 385 Views
not a cop. *NM* - 10/04/2013 06:45:01 PM 408 Views
while we're waiting though - 10/04/2013 06:41:44 PM 621 Views
ok, let's try something reckless and crazy - 10/04/2013 08:06:48 PM 516 Views
No objections *NM* - 11/04/2013 09:31:01 AM 289 Views
So... whats the point of this, then? - 11/04/2013 04:33:48 PM 630 Views
ah, the ciphering is fairly normal - 11/04/2013 05:17:59 PM 734 Views
Well, ok then. - 12/04/2013 06:02:04 PM 563 Views
I don't deny that this is a plan that would likely be very profitable for us... - 12/04/2013 10:46:13 PM 477 Views
i'll start a table for it then - 13/04/2013 01:16:28 AM 675 Views
encrypted claims (table) - 13/04/2013 01:55:49 AM 674 Views
So because we're stalled... - 13/04/2013 05:22:37 AM 577 Views
Here we go - 13/04/2013 06:42:48 AM 704 Views
Re: encrypted claims (table) - 13/04/2013 11:36:27 AM 611 Views
Re: encrypted claims - 15/04/2013 04:30:58 PM 689 Views
Mine - 16/04/2013 12:52:30 PM 558 Views
my encrypted claims - 17/04/2013 09:13:34 AM 509 Views
RBIRL - 15/04/2013 09:06:33 PM 543 Views
we're waiting on one more encryption, so... - 17/04/2013 09:55:21 AM 658 Views
I encrypted it all together. - 17/04/2013 06:25:26 PM 713 Views
agreed *NM* - 17/04/2013 09:36:02 PM 289 Views
me too, same key for all 3 *NM* - 17/04/2013 10:09:08 PM 403 Views
I used one key for all of them as well *NM* - 17/04/2013 11:14:43 PM 409 Views
I didn't. *NM* - 18/04/2013 02:23:47 PM 387 Views
Me neither. I've got a separate cipher for everyone of them. *NM* - 18/04/2013 02:59:31 PM 396 Views
I'm joining the last two, three separate keys.... *NM* *NM* - 18/04/2013 10:49:55 PM 410 Views
vote: beetnemesis - 19/04/2013 12:22:12 AM 600 Views
or get a modkill... - 19/04/2013 12:24:45 AM 720 Views
also while we're burning time, and amusing subgame - 19/04/2013 12:33:25 AM 650 Views
twice you made the tables (questions and encrypted claims) and voting very late. - 19/04/2013 02:06:13 PM 649 Views
nope, I usually make tables and... - 19/04/2013 02:50:30 PM 709 Views
hmmm, - 19/04/2013 07:17:41 PM 739 Views
Hahaha, +1 *NM* - 19/04/2013 07:36:00 PM 399 Views
- 20/04/2013 03:29:27 AM 519 Views
Re: - 20/04/2013 08:58:14 AM 751 Views
And we love you for it. - 21/04/2013 06:54:28 PM 567 Views
RBIRL again *NM* - 20/04/2013 07:13:57 AM 369 Views
Not really. - 21/04/2013 04:42:24 PM 679 Views
Oh, I almost forgot: Vote: beetnemesis. - 21/04/2013 04:45:39 PM 539 Views
Re: Not really. - 22/04/2013 06:06:26 AM 676 Views
You have been abducted by aliens and replaced by some form of extraterrestrial life form. - 26/04/2013 01:27:10 AM 685 Views
nah, that happened years ago, this is recent *NM* - 26/04/2013 01:39:53 AM 391 Views
Besides, it isn't really unusual. - 26/04/2013 02:23:24 AM 666 Views
Really, you think so? - 26/04/2013 09:51:31 AM 735 Views
Your cleverity there leaves room for improvement. *NM* - 27/04/2013 12:04:47 AM 414 Views
As much as I love the discussion... - 21/04/2013 07:19:57 PM 675 Views
I join...Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* - 21/04/2013 09:21:16 PM 312 Views
Well, in that case. Vote:beetnemesis - 21/04/2013 09:53:08 PM 677 Views
I prefer modkill not to end the day. - 21/04/2013 10:28:56 PM 554 Views
Ok, Vote:beetnemesis *NM* - 21/04/2013 10:39:37 PM 465 Views
Night 1 – "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you." – Zack Allan - 22/04/2013 08:03:25 AM 777 Views
yes, we got lucky! *NM* - 22/04/2013 08:35:41 AM 396 Views
Indeed. Let's hope the luck keeps up. *NM* - 22/04/2013 02:40:48 PM 395 Views
Bah! - 22/04/2013 09:07:38 PM 635 Views
Too bad - 23/04/2013 07:20:51 AM 689 Views
We have a Facebook group? Neat. *NM* - 23/04/2013 06:26:44 PM 407 Views
https://www.facebook.com/groups/134337250069780/ - 23/04/2013 07:23:40 PM 586 Views
Sooo, how long is this night going to take? *NM* - 26/04/2013 07:25:47 AM 366 Views
Max 29-4...mod said so in the night Message above... *NM* - 26/04/2013 09:35:35 AM 399 Views
Huh. I missed that. *NM* - 26/04/2013 11:58:23 AM 260 Views

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