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I think we may need to contemplate some semi-random options Isaac Send a noteboard - 06/08/2013 07:55:25 AM

We've a number of ways we've done things like this in the past, my own personal favorite is to winnow out the players who don't belong on the list and have the remainder fight it out, like 'the five lowest posters, full posts count as 2, NM as 1" etc. The problem with that is you need to make reasonable exceptions for RBIRL players and newer players.

We've used other means in the past to create that small pool, we've never needed to throw a dice either, but it does ensure we focus our attention. We could argue that the players who have been seen to contribute the least to acquiring information could be selected and required to roleclaim, and we review those normally and typically one will be suspicious, but if not we can always try something else.

To do something like that we need 2 things, 1) A pool size we're aiming to create and 2) Criteria for getting that pool. With 12 players we want to 3-5 I'd say.

Now as to #2 we're essentially talking about "Anti-town by not being pro-town enough" and that's got some fairly default criteria we tend to use. Number of posts, number of Non-NM posts, questions asked, etc. I'd like us to come up with some others if we can, but here's how that stands:

Post Count:
Isaac - 17
Fox and Ravens - 13
Hobo - 10
Artsapat - 9
Praziquantel - 8
Fanatic-Templar - 7
ranagrande - 6
Yunalesca - 6
Taiga - 5
Beet - 4
Dannymac - 3
Sacrilicious Toast - 2

That's 90 posts for an average of 7.5, sadly 45 of those 90 are NM posts, exactly half, but nobody's really been disproportionate about it. Also, if it comes down to 'tie-breakers' RBIRL posts, side post like me and rana BSing about game 15, etc aren't exactly 'participation', though they are to a limited degree. Same, the lowest players on that list our our 2 newest players, with the newest lowest. That's not a black mark on them though, they are new, don't know what to ask or what they might say to screw their team. So our bottom 5 not including them seem more valid, I'll leave it to them to discuss NM, RBIRL, or side-posts as value.

We've also got questions asked, but that's a short list, me at 3 and Rana just asked 1, "Did your RM describe your appearance?"

Attacks and defenses are major participation too, but we haven't had much that really counts. We've only had 3 votes, and none really levied evidence or merited a defense. We can add in less overt attacks, and defenses given for others, but I'd leave that for individuals to point out.

Vote: Isaac - Dannymac - 03 Aug 2013 01:09:47 AM
Vote: Sacrilicious Toast - Fox and Ravens - 30 Jul 2013 08:56:04 AM
Vote: Hobo - ranagrande - 29 Jul 2013 10:43:15 PM

On normal votes I'd bring up how skillfully and actively people involved attacked or defended on those votes, voter, target, or neither, but it just doesn't apply.

I'd like to have more criteria, as things stand we'd end up using the following: everyone who spoke less than average, or 7 posts or less;

Fanatic-Templar - 7
ranagrande - 6
Yunalesca - 6
Taiga - 5
Beet - 4
Dannymac - 3
Sacrilicious Toast - 2

Then we'd strike the bottom 2, because they're new and if removed early game it will be modkill, and especially with Berg set on 12 so firmly we'd want to give him a chance to come up with a sub, a different player or a qualified sub from the current players who gets axed on day/night 1.

Fanatic-Templar - 7
ranagrande - 6
Yunalesca - 6
Taiga - 5
Beet - 4

That's the list I'd work off right now as a base, I follow up shortly with my specific thoughts on each, but again I'd like some more criteria too.

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Re: Vote: Hobo - 01/08/2013 12:27:15 AM 1039 Views
Re: Vote: Hobo - 01/08/2013 10:44:27 AM 1097 Views
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He was very unclear on tha tpoint after the fact - 01/08/2013 11:27:00 PM 1100 Views
No, his plan was actually pretty good. - 06/08/2013 01:00:31 AM 1118 Views
How is that a good plan? - 06/08/2013 06:37:24 AM 1169 Views
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Rules are made to be broken. *NM* - 30/07/2013 06:51:38 PM 698 Views
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Sure. Last time he lost was game 29. *NM* - 30/07/2013 09:32:45 PM 662 Views
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I vaguely remember the Marvel game, but not any specifics... *NM* - 04/08/2013 09:55:24 PM 665 Views
I do... - 05/08/2013 04:25:10 AM 999 Views
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(here) *NM* - 29/07/2013 11:03:26 PM 650 Views
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Re: Vote: Sacrilicious Toast - 31/07/2013 09:19:11 AM 1130 Views
Re: Vote: Sacrilicious Toast - 01/08/2013 10:50:16 AM 983 Views
Re: Vote: Sacrilicious Toast - 01/08/2013 12:11:33 AM 1008 Views
Activate! *NM* - 31/07/2013 03:03:50 AM 682 Views
Not too bad that you waited with the game, Berg - 01/08/2013 10:35:51 AM 979 Views
Re: Not too bad that you waited with the game, Berg - 01/08/2013 11:06:23 AM 1003 Views
Okay, getting moving (Table) - 01/08/2013 11:45:30 PM 1104 Views
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Yes, No, No - 02/08/2013 08:54:12 AM 1034 Views
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Yeah, my name's a real one too, just not logically related to anything in the game. *NM* - 02/08/2013 07:17:42 PM 656 Views
Same here. *NM* - 04/08/2013 09:54:10 PM 634 Views
Yes, No, No *NM* - 02/08/2013 01:03:24 PM 637 Views
Yes, no, no *NM* - 02/08/2013 08:26:52 PM 575 Views
yes, no, no *NM* - 03/08/2013 01:10:00 AM 663 Views
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Yes. No. No. - 04/08/2013 09:02:49 AM 923 Views
Re: Yes. No. No. - 04/08/2013 11:19:03 AM 996 Views
Yes, No, No *NM* - 03/08/2013 11:06:41 PM 660 Views
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Yes, no, no. Also, I'm back. *NM* - 04/08/2013 09:52:47 PM 629 Views
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Yes, No No *NM* - 05/08/2013 03:28:03 AM 639 Views
Sorry I didn't have anything new to add... *NM* - 05/08/2013 03:29:28 AM 633 Views
Yes, No, No. *NM* - 06/08/2013 12:46:10 AM 608 Views
I might as well Unvote before I forget - 02/08/2013 03:32:43 PM 963 Views
EBWOP - 02/08/2013 03:33:23 PM 944 Views
Vote: Isaac - 03/08/2013 05:09:47 AM 1075 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac - 03/08/2013 07:32:48 AM 974 Views
The "... and people die" part is probably accurate though *NM* - 03/08/2013 12:32:40 PM 647 Views
Correlation does not equal causation . *NM* - 03/08/2013 05:42:30 PM 657 Views
Precisely *NM* - 04/08/2013 11:22:52 AM 637 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac - 05/08/2013 08:31:03 PM 1061 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac - 06/08/2013 06:40:24 AM 1014 Views
Baaaack~ - 03/08/2013 11:26:57 PM 1020 Views
Although interesting, the questions don't seem to be adding much to the info - 05/08/2013 07:03:07 PM 1058 Views
Well - 05/08/2013 07:25:22 PM 956 Views
That is correct - 05/08/2013 07:35:24 PM 964 Views
Oh yeah, you're right - 05/08/2013 09:42:23 PM 1021 Views
Re: Oh yeah, you're right - 05/08/2013 10:09:48 PM 1019 Views
Re: Oh yeah, you're right - 05/08/2013 10:20:02 PM 1065 Views
I posted I was back.... NLRBIRL *NM* - 05/08/2013 10:25:58 PM 612 Views
Yeah, I missed that. Sorry *NM* - 06/08/2013 03:13:11 AM 642 Views
What's the NL for? RBIRL Real Busy in Real Life, NL=? - 06/08/2013 08:56:16 AM 999 Views
Oh, duh, "No Longer" RBIRL *NM* - 06/08/2013 08:57:15 AM 619 Views
Yup *NM* - 06/08/2013 01:00:31 PM 678 Views
would be a very awkward abbreviation - 07/08/2013 10:05:17 AM 992 Views
Re: Although interesting, the questions don't seem to be adding much to the info - 05/08/2013 08:26:01 PM 1112 Views
Agreed. Random lynches seem like a last resort to me. - 05/08/2013 08:55:59 PM 1033 Views
Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 12:52:25 AM 1049 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 06:59:26 AM 1016 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 10:01:18 AM 1064 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 12:56:47 PM 1126 Views
I didn't have anything either. *NM* - 06/08/2013 01:02:46 PM 662 Views
No, I'm sorry, I don't - 06/08/2013 02:33:58 PM 1091 Views
No appearance was described in my role message. *NM* - 06/08/2013 08:45:51 PM 662 Views
Nope. *NM* - 07/08/2013 07:23:00 PM 664 Views
No, nothing on appearance *NM* - 07/08/2013 09:02:11 PM 675 Views
I think we may need to contemplate some semi-random options - 06/08/2013 07:55:25 AM 998 Views
List of remarks by the 'accused', plus some remarks on them - 06/08/2013 08:51:15 AM 1211 Views
explanation - 06/08/2013 09:05:55 AM 1090 Views
Re: explanation - 06/08/2013 09:47:35 AM 1063 Views
Re: explanation - 06/08/2013 09:59:45 AM 1106 Views
Re: explanation - 06/08/2013 01:28:49 PM 1033 Views
I'm just surprised I'm not on the list. I was always a low poster... - 06/08/2013 10:00:22 AM 1058 Views
Re: I'm just surprised I'm not on the list. I was always a low poster... - 07/08/2013 07:48:34 PM 1003 Views
Your questions - 06/08/2013 02:59:16 PM 1069 Views
I apparently answered your questions backwards - 06/08/2013 03:06:06 PM 977 Views
I would look at it a bit differently, even if the outcome doesn't change that much - 06/08/2013 03:55:12 PM 1074 Views
Well, I'm impressed - 06/08/2013 04:11:31 PM 986 Views
I thank you for the compliment. - 06/08/2013 09:51:54 PM 1057 Views
Re: I thank you for the compliment. - 07/08/2013 01:53:25 AM 1020 Views
Those are fair points - 07/08/2013 11:08:21 AM 1040 Views
Re: Those are fair points - 07/08/2013 01:01:55 PM 1051 Views
Oh dear, this is unfortunate. - 07/08/2013 09:46:26 PM 1087 Views
I think you just killed Beetnemesis *NM* - 07/08/2013 10:56:16 PM 632 Views
Better him than me . *NM* - 07/08/2013 11:16:29 PM 646 Views
Re: Oh dear, this is unfortunate. - 07/08/2013 11:32:12 PM 1013 Views
nice analysis - 07/08/2013 10:25:20 AM 958 Views
Like I said before, Tables=Death - 06/08/2013 07:20:07 PM 1015 Views
Re: Like I said before, Tables=Death - 06/08/2013 08:22:47 PM 959 Views
Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) - 07/08/2013 03:37:36 PM 981 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) - 07/08/2013 04:11:04 PM 1037 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) - 07/08/2013 04:43:12 PM 1030 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) - 07/08/2013 05:34:04 PM 1042 Views
He really is... - 07/08/2013 04:55:59 PM 1024 Views
Re: He really is... - 07/08/2013 08:36:44 PM 1080 Views
Hm, that's not quite what I was thinking when I said that - 08/08/2013 08:49:11 PM 960 Views
BAMF? - 07/08/2013 06:31:59 PM 1025 Views
It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports - 07/08/2013 06:38:24 PM 1022 Views
Re: It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports - 07/08/2013 06:42:30 PM 1092 Views
Re: It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports - 07/08/2013 06:45:49 PM 1055 Views
When it comes to Marvel, it's Spidey and Deadpool all the way! X-Men. Pffft. - 07/08/2013 10:38:41 PM 978 Views
Dr Doom was always my favorite hero in Marvel, but Deadpool is pretty cool *NM* - 07/08/2013 10:52:39 PM 631 Views
Dr Doom has cool costume, but other than that I don't know much about him. - 07/08/2013 11:37:09 PM 1002 Views
He's Marvel's Lex Luthor, only much cooler - 07/08/2013 11:48:00 PM 939 Views
I'd actually say he's a bit more like Marvel's Superman than Marvel's Lex Luthor. - 07/08/2013 11:54:14 PM 1076 Views
I'm not a Marvel fan, but Doom is amazing. - 07/08/2013 11:52:09 PM 980 Views
OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 04:49:33 PM 1030 Views
Re: OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 05:44:09 PM 1084 Views
Well, you obviously know something, so out with it - 07/08/2013 06:33:04 PM 999 Views
With that in mind... sounds like I hit too close to home, and you got sensitive - 08/08/2013 03:10:50 AM 1070 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis, Are you accusing me of being scum for pointing out your post had no substance? - 08/08/2013 03:39:25 AM 1116 Views
Re: - 08/08/2013 06:30:26 AM 988 Views
Granted, as you yourself pointed out: attack is the best defense - 08/08/2013 08:17:31 AM 959 Views
How often do we even have SKs? *NM* - 08/08/2013 09:39:58 AM 727 Views
This pushes it over the edge for me too. - 08/08/2013 01:13:21 PM 998 Views
Hah. You got prickly pretty quickly. - 08/08/2013 07:39:24 PM 1021 Views
Prickly? I'm not touchy about it just suspiscious - 08/08/2013 08:01:39 PM 986 Views
Re: OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 06:38:45 PM 1004 Views
My feeling is that a "normal" game is pretty easy to balance - 08/08/2013 03:08:09 AM 985 Views
re - 07/08/2013 08:36:15 PM 1019 Views
Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 04:31:26 PM 1030 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 05:44:54 PM 1041 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 07:51:09 PM 1045 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 08:02:45 PM 1006 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 08:05:52 PM 1137 Views
The thing we want to avoid is MASS roleclaim - 09/08/2013 08:30:32 AM 934 Views
Okay, almost totally off topic but... - 07/08/2013 11:40:54 PM 939 Views
The problem with that - 08/08/2013 08:09:56 AM 1020 Views
Re: The problem with that - 08/08/2013 05:02:56 PM 988 Views
Reminds me of the Cairhien game a bit. - 08/08/2013 06:14:17 PM 958 Views
That remains one of my favorites - 08/08/2013 07:48:42 PM 973 Views
I haaaated the Cairhien game - 08/08/2013 08:16:57 PM 1046 Views
Re: That remains one of my favorites - 08/08/2013 09:42:25 PM 974 Views
Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 05:51:23 PM 971 Views
My take: - 08/08/2013 08:00:13 PM 1160 Views
Did you just admit to being a scummer? - 08/08/2013 08:04:21 PM 1048 Views
Hah, remember when I mentioned grasping at straws? - 08/08/2013 09:31:35 PM 983 Views
We have always used the term that way, always, that and only that back to game 2 - 08/08/2013 09:44:20 PM 1038 Views
Holy crap, 4 years ago. - 09/08/2013 02:09:09 AM 905 Views
That's when you asked and were told by the Moderator, it has come up since then many times - 09/08/2013 04:10:28 AM 986 Views
I can't be the only person laughing at you right now - 09/08/2013 05:44:03 PM 988 Views
I doubt anyone is laughing including yourself - 09/08/2013 06:08:41 PM 912 Views
No, he's correct. - 08/08/2013 09:53:43 PM 1082 Views
Re: My take: - 08/08/2013 08:12:46 PM 1067 Views
To be a student of Isaac is a subtle thing - 08/08/2013 09:30:02 PM 952 Views
sure - 08/08/2013 08:44:06 PM 972 Views
Hmm, my thoughts, - 08/08/2013 08:56:27 PM 1066 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 10:30:22 PM 1001 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 11:18:56 PM 1078 Views
"Post count" usually acts as a tiebreaker - 09/08/2013 02:12:28 AM 1024 Views
I disagree - 09/08/2013 09:00:33 AM 975 Views
Re: I disagree - 09/08/2013 11:25:29 AM 959 Views
Several people have called for a roleclaim from beet - 09/08/2013 09:06:28 AM 996 Views
I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here... - 09/08/2013 09:16:51 AM 982 Views
Re: I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here... - 09/08/2013 03:18:38 PM 1026 Views
No, I meant entrails. - 09/08/2013 03:49:21 PM 957 Views
Re: No, I meant entrails. - 09/08/2013 04:05:31 PM 980 Views
Ah. Well that definitely explains it. *NM* - 09/08/2013 04:49:55 PM 637 Views
That's awesome. *NM* - 09/08/2013 09:21:59 PM 630 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 09/08/2013 11:48:13 AM 954 Views
I'll point out that SKs were one of a few options I hypothesized - 09/08/2013 05:47:23 PM 992 Views
Re: I'll point out that SKs were one of a few options I hypothesized - 09/08/2013 07:10:44 PM 875 Views
OK, so the smiley was a typo - 09/08/2013 07:26:58 PM 1013 Views
I do, but - 09/08/2013 03:39:28 PM 978 Views
RBIRL - 09/08/2013 05:50:21 AM 999 Views
The case on Beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 05:05:32 PM 1102 Views
Ah good, time for a point-by-point rebuttal - 09/08/2013 06:04:11 PM 1016 Views
EBWOP: A final point - 09/08/2013 06:14:25 PM 1054 Views
Actually... - 09/08/2013 06:38:26 PM 1021 Views
I can't see any difference with Isaac's "aggressiveness". *NM* - 09/08/2013 07:31:28 PM 708 Views
Re: EBWOP: A final point - 09/08/2013 07:55:19 PM 1112 Views
Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 07:04:40 PM 1057 Views
Shrug, I have nothing against roleclaiming. Roleclaim: Tracker - 09/08/2013 07:33:40 PM 1005 Views
Correct me if wrong... - 09/08/2013 08:39:58 PM 1039 Views
Exactly! - 09/08/2013 11:06:25 PM 1051 Views
Wow, I'm gone for 24 hours, - 11/08/2013 12:02:38 AM 1009 Views
No, you just did everything you could to avoid it, like claiming almost no one had asked... - 09/08/2013 08:42:10 PM 1085 Views
I think you're right. - 09/08/2013 11:47:32 PM 1225 Views
Re: Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 07:49:12 PM 1002 Views
Re: Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 08:04:42 PM 1035 Views
too much mud - 09/08/2013 09:50:35 PM 1102 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis - 11/08/2013 10:32:51 AM 1170 Views
@ Mod, Vote Check - 11/08/2013 04:46:16 PM 1010 Views
That's a valid vote, I had missed it. Twilight pending. - 11/08/2013 05:36:13 PM 979 Views
Actually, so did I. Did I hammer? - 11/08/2013 05:55:14 PM 969 Views
Yes. *NM* - 11/08/2013 05:59:47 PM 503 Views
beetnemesis has been lynched. - 11/08/2013 05:52:43 PM 1070 Views

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