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Ah good, time for a point-by-point rebuttal beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 09/08/2013 06:04:11 PM

View original post1) He was originally flagged as suspicious for minimal participation, considered an anti-town action. He came up lowest in 4 methods:

I did- was busy at work, and since not much conversation had happened, I hadn't made a substantial post yet.



View original post2) Upon coming up topping all those methods he posted in to hypothesize about game make up, at which point I felt his suggestions strongly implied he possessed some game relevant information as the suggestions were otherwise random and counter-indicated by the minimal knowledge of the game we had. The principle theories raised focused on multiple scum factions, a rare thing in a game of this size and while grounds for a mod to want many players to help absorb the extra night kills it is very definitely not a reason for a Mod to want 12 players. All options focused on an abnormally powerful scum faction(s).

What I find interesting is that, despite your criticisms, no one has been able to come up with a good reason that Bergioyn asked for specifically 12 players. And I stand by my point that if it was as simple as "doc, cop, and some townies" vs "scum and a roleblocker," that he would not need a specific number- 11 or 13 is just as workable.

My post was based on guesswork and extrapolation- which, for Day One, is pretty much all there is to go on.



View original post3) He accused me, on the grounds I clearly thought he knew something, though he claims to know nothing. This accusation to be logically coherent would require A) That he had guessed and guessed correctly and B) That I was a scummer and C) that I would believe he had not guessed and D) That with all of these I would tip my hand so out of character and incredibly clumsily of fashions. All 4 of these improbable conditions must be true for his accusation to be viable, and thus far he has not even confirmed the first one, he has not yet denied having extra knowledge and has IMO sought to imply he did even as he presents an accusation that can only be true if he does not.

I accused you because you were being uncharacteristically aggressive. We don't need the universe to form a once in a lifetime conflux for you to be scum. It's just as simple to say:

a)That you saw me post something that you thought you could seize on
b)That for whatever reason (either that I hit close to home, or that I was simply a target of opportunity) you figured the best defense was a strong offense


I haven't implied I have any extra knowledge beyond the ability to do simple arithmetic.




View original post4) He was asked by multiple players to role claim, a customary request when one is considered a primary lynch candidate, which is obviously the case. He was also reminded that any delay would damage the credibility of his claim, he has neither roleclaimed nor offered any defense or reason why he should not.

I believe "roleclaim" has come up... twice? Ranagrande just (as in, TODAY) asked for one, and I believe someone mentioned it at the beginning of your attack. I'll respond to ranagrande shortly, and I ignored the original one because it was early in the day, and there was no particular push for a roleclaim (and I had other posts to respond to)



View original post5) In his remarks he referenced being 'bussed', a term regularly used here and exclusively to refer to when a scummer votes for another scummer. Revealing slips of this nature are not unheard of even very rare, but may be sheer accident so he was asked to explain it. Rather than claiming it was an innocent slip of words he instead claimed the term did not mean that, and replied evasively when told by the two most senior players that it only means that, including citations of the mafiascum wiki and a post where he himself asked what the term meant and was told, in absolutely unambiguous language, what the term meant, by the moderator of the game herself. He was also challenged to find any use by any player if the term in which his definition was used or even a definition other than the one given. He has not done so, instead claiming that even taking note of the usage is 'grasping at straws', this is not a proper offense but is instead an attempt to discredit the accusation rather than justify his own actions.

This entire point is laughable. What it boils down to is that I mixed up the meanings of "bussed" and "bandwagoned." I apologize that the instruction I received 4 years ago (from a mod nonwithstanding) was not seared into my brain.




View original post6) His entire defense now rests on a counter-accusation at myself,

Actually, my entire defense rests on the fact that I've done nothing wrong. My OFFENSE rests on the fact that anyone who's played with you should be able to realize that you have an agenda.

This isn't an either-or, and the fact that you're trying to make it one further speaks to your duplicity.

Isaac became aggressive towards me immediately after my big post. His entire case against me boils down to:

  • beetnemesis made a rambling post with some odd theories

His other points are just bits and pieces he's picked up to try to make it seem like he has a legitimate accusation.

I amuse myself.
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Mafia 32 - No Fancy Title - Day 1 Bergioyn - 28/07/2013 06:46:40 PM 3417 Views
Present *NM* Isaac - 28/07/2013 07:52:29 PM 926 Views
Reporting in *NM* Praziquantel - 28/07/2013 09:50:47 PM 896 Views
Here. *NM* Hobo - 28/07/2013 10:42:26 PM 910 Views
Present! *NM* Yunalesca - 28/07/2013 11:03:03 PM 964 Views
I stand ready. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 29/07/2013 01:36:27 AM 925 Views
Helloooooo Players! *NM* Fox and Ravens - 29/07/2013 01:54:16 AM 913 Views
So, where to begin? *NM* ranagrande - 29/07/2013 02:43:48 AM 909 Views
Use lube, this is my first time! *NM* Sacrilicious Toast - 29/07/2013 08:26:59 AM 968 Views
I loled *NM* Yunalesca - 29/07/2013 10:31:08 AM 944 Views
Just because of this comment I know he'll fit right in. Artsapat - 01/08/2013 10:38:01 AM 1478 Views
Fox is being triggerhappy. *NM* Bergioyn - 01/08/2013 06:08:21 PM 922 Views
It's always fun on day 1! *NM* Fox and Ravens - 01/08/2013 06:37:26 PM 935 Views
RBIRL from Tuesday to Sunday Yunalesca - 29/07/2013 01:06:35 PM 1561 Views
I'm RBIRL from friday to sunday, myself Fox and Ravens - 29/07/2013 02:10:19 PM 1636 Views
RBIRL from Wednesday to Saturday. Hobo - 29/07/2013 02:18:47 PM 1552 Views
I'm joining the RBIRL train ranagrande - 31/07/2013 01:50:55 PM 1520 Views
Present *NM* Taiga - 29/07/2013 02:53:40 PM 954 Views
apparently we got no fancy fantasy theme, but straight Mafia *NM* Taiga - 29/07/2013 03:18:18 PM 904 Views
I'm actually kinda glad. I think it was getting too...complicated for me. Fox and Ravens - 29/07/2013 03:48:33 PM 1571 Views
Agreed, but I would imagine Bergioyn might have some twists in store for us. Praziquantel - 29/07/2013 09:52:30 PM 1490 Views
Eh, Let's just go. IT WAS YOU THAT DID IT, WASN'T IT *NM* beetnemesis - 29/07/2013 10:56:49 PM 903 Views
It was you that done it, now own up! *NM* Isaac - 29/07/2013 11:41:40 PM 919 Views
Okay! I admit it! It was me! Oh wait... were you talking to or him? *NM* Hobo - 30/07/2013 02:31:30 AM 762 Views
Vote: Hobo ranagrande - 30/07/2013 02:43:15 AM 1549 Views
Re: Vote: Hobo Isaac - 01/08/2013 12:27:15 AM 1533 Views
Re: Vote: Hobo Artsapat - 01/08/2013 10:44:27 AM 1611 Views
I don't think it was Fox and Ravens - 01/08/2013 12:50:24 PM 1552 Views
If I remember correctly he had some dastatdly plot to catch the scum. Bergioyn - 01/08/2013 04:32:51 PM 1555 Views
He was very unclear on tha tpoint after the fact Isaac - 01/08/2013 11:27:00 PM 1614 Views
No, his plan was actually pretty good. ranagrande - 06/08/2013 01:00:31 AM 1683 Views
How is that a good plan? Isaac - 06/08/2013 06:37:24 AM 1712 Views
Well, believe it or not, I swear it wasn't me this time. I blame s *NM* Praziquantel - 30/07/2013 02:07:38 PM 917 Views
it was probably Isaac but in the end he'll win the game *NM* Taiga - 30/07/2013 05:37:07 PM 910 Views
Rule #1: Isaac wins *NM* Fox and Ravens - 30/07/2013 06:18:38 PM 983 Views
Rules are made to be broken. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 30/07/2013 06:51:38 PM 929 Views
But is this rule able to be broken? *NM* Hobo - 30/07/2013 06:54:22 PM 913 Views
Sure. Last time he lost was game 29. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 30/07/2013 09:32:45 PM 880 Views
Surely you recall the Marvel[ous] Siege? You were mason buddy Isaac - 01/08/2013 12:14:47 AM 1537 Views
I vaguely remember the Marvel game, but not any specifics... *NM* Hobo - 04/08/2013 09:55:24 PM 908 Views
I do... Fanatic-Templar - 05/08/2013 04:25:10 AM 1514 Views
Rule #2: Isaac is always suspected, but not lynched. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/07/2013 10:32:57 PM 921 Views
Isaac is like the German Soccer team in this. Artsapat - 01/08/2013 10:45:39 AM 1422 Views
Re: Isaac is like the German Soccer team in this. Isaac - 01/08/2013 12:18:52 PM 1599 Views
(here) *NM* beetnemesis - 29/07/2013 11:03:26 PM 891 Views
Vote: Sacrilicious Toast Fox and Ravens - 30/07/2013 12:56:04 PM 1633 Views
Re: Vote: Sacrilicious Toast Sacrilicious Toast - 31/07/2013 09:19:11 AM 1654 Views
Re: Vote: Sacrilicious Toast Artsapat - 01/08/2013 10:50:16 AM 1481 Views
Re: Vote: Sacrilicious Toast Isaac - 01/08/2013 12:11:33 AM 1507 Views
Activate! *NM* Dannymac - 31/07/2013 03:03:50 AM 897 Views
Not too bad that you waited with the game, Berg Artsapat - 01/08/2013 10:35:51 AM 1503 Views
Re: Not too bad that you waited with the game, Berg Artsapat - 01/08/2013 11:06:23 AM 1533 Views
Okay, getting moving (Table) Isaac - 01/08/2013 11:45:30 PM 1647 Views
Yes, No, No. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 02/08/2013 02:32:52 AM 886 Views
Yes, No, No Taiga - 02/08/2013 08:54:12 AM 1553 Views
Re: Yes, No, No Isaac - 02/08/2013 09:50:24 AM 1480 Views
Yeah, my name's a real one too, just not logically related to anything in the game. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 02/08/2013 07:17:42 PM 886 Views
Same here. *NM* Hobo - 04/08/2013 09:54:10 PM 853 Views
Yes, No, No *NM* Fox and Ravens - 02/08/2013 01:03:24 PM 858 Views
Yes, no, no *NM* Praziquantel - 02/08/2013 08:26:52 PM 808 Views
yes, no, no *NM* Dannymac - 03/08/2013 01:10:00 AM 897 Views
would be nice if one player answered Yes, Yes. Yes now: Lie = lynch *NM* Taiga - 03/08/2013 09:12:07 AM 864 Views
Well I'm reasonably sure some of them will either answer other then yes, no, no or lie Isaac - 03/08/2013 12:29:34 PM 1541 Views
Yes. No. No. Artsapat - 04/08/2013 09:02:49 AM 1425 Views
Re: Yes. No. No. Isaac - 04/08/2013 11:19:03 AM 1496 Views
Yes, No, No *NM* Yunalesca - 03/08/2013 11:06:41 PM 891 Views
Yes, no, no. Also, I'm back. *NM* Hobo - 04/08/2013 09:52:11 PM 764 Views
Yes, no, no. Also, I'm back. *NM* Hobo - 04/08/2013 09:52:47 PM 851 Views
Dangit, I hate when I double post. *NM* Hobo - 04/08/2013 09:53:29 PM 905 Views
Yes, No No *NM* beetnemesis - 05/08/2013 03:28:03 AM 902 Views
Sorry I didn't have anything new to add... *NM* beetnemesis - 05/08/2013 03:29:28 AM 836 Views
Yes, No, No. *NM* ranagrande - 06/08/2013 12:46:10 AM 840 Views
I might as well Unvote before I forget Fox and Ravens - 02/08/2013 03:32:43 PM 1472 Views
EBWOP Fox and Ravens - 02/08/2013 03:33:23 PM 1439 Views
Vote: Isaac Dannymac - 03/08/2013 05:09:47 AM 1566 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac Isaac - 03/08/2013 07:32:48 AM 1484 Views
The "... and people die" part is probably accurate though *NM* Isaac - 03/08/2013 12:32:40 PM 851 Views
Correlation does not equal causation . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 03/08/2013 05:42:30 PM 883 Views
Precisely *NM* Isaac - 04/08/2013 11:22:52 AM 865 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac Fox and Ravens - 05/08/2013 08:31:03 PM 1557 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac Isaac - 06/08/2013 06:40:24 AM 1501 Views
Baaaack~ Yunalesca - 03/08/2013 11:26:57 PM 1510 Views
Although interesting, the questions don't seem to be adding much to the info Artsapat - 05/08/2013 07:03:07 PM 1550 Views
Well Praziquantel - 05/08/2013 07:25:22 PM 1471 Views
That is correct Artsapat - 05/08/2013 07:35:24 PM 1496 Views
Oh yeah, you're right Praziquantel - 05/08/2013 09:42:23 PM 1545 Views
Re: Oh yeah, you're right Fox and Ravens - 05/08/2013 10:09:48 PM 1579 Views
Re: Oh yeah, you're right Praziquantel - 05/08/2013 10:20:02 PM 1582 Views
I posted I was back.... NLRBIRL *NM* Yunalesca - 05/08/2013 10:25:58 PM 820 Views
Yeah, I missed that. Sorry *NM* Praziquantel - 06/08/2013 03:13:11 AM 893 Views
What's the NL for? RBIRL Real Busy in Real Life, NL=? Isaac - 06/08/2013 08:56:16 AM 1511 Views
Oh, duh, "No Longer" RBIRL *NM* Isaac - 06/08/2013 08:57:15 AM 846 Views
Yup *NM* Yunalesca - 06/08/2013 01:00:31 PM 894 Views
would be a very awkward abbreviation Taiga - 07/08/2013 10:05:17 AM 1457 Views
Heh, you're answering a question that wasn't even asked Artsapat - 07/08/2013 10:40:26 AM 1513 Views
I completely see where you guys are coming from. Us small nations need to feel important. *NM* Bergioyn - 07/08/2013 10:50:39 AM 904 Views
Re: Although interesting, the questions don't seem to be adding much to the info Fox and Ravens - 05/08/2013 08:26:01 PM 1634 Views
Agreed. Random lynches seem like a last resort to me. Hobo - 05/08/2013 08:55:59 PM 1545 Views
Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. ranagrande - 06/08/2013 12:52:25 AM 1607 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. Isaac - 06/08/2013 06:59:26 AM 1551 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. Hobo - 06/08/2013 10:01:18 AM 1545 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. Fox and Ravens - 06/08/2013 12:56:47 PM 1632 Views
I didn't have anything either. *NM* Yunalesca - 06/08/2013 01:02:46 PM 890 Views
No, I'm sorry, I don't Artsapat - 06/08/2013 02:33:58 PM 1598 Views
No appearance was described in my role message. *NM* Praziquantel - 06/08/2013 08:45:51 PM 875 Views
Nope. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 07/08/2013 07:23:00 PM 886 Views
No, nothing on appearance *NM* Taiga - 07/08/2013 09:02:11 PM 880 Views
I think we may need to contemplate some semi-random options Isaac - 06/08/2013 07:55:25 AM 1523 Views
List of remarks by the 'accused', plus some remarks on them Isaac - 06/08/2013 08:51:15 AM 1699 Views
explanation Taiga - 06/08/2013 09:05:55 AM 1576 Views
Re: explanation Isaac - 06/08/2013 09:47:35 AM 1586 Views
Re: explanation Sacrilicious Toast - 06/08/2013 09:59:45 AM 1622 Views
Re: explanation Fox and Ravens - 06/08/2013 01:28:49 PM 1552 Views
I'm just surprised I'm not on the list. I was always a low poster... Hobo - 06/08/2013 10:00:22 AM 1577 Views
Re: I'm just surprised I'm not on the list. I was always a low poster... Fanatic-Templar - 07/08/2013 07:48:34 PM 1495 Views
Your questions ranagrande - 06/08/2013 02:59:16 PM 1607 Views
I apparently answered your questions backwards ranagrande - 06/08/2013 03:06:06 PM 1552 Views
I would look at it a bit differently, even if the outcome doesn't change that much Artsapat - 06/08/2013 03:55:12 PM 1611 Views
Well, I'm impressed Isaac - 06/08/2013 04:11:31 PM 1516 Views
I thank you for the compliment. Artsapat - 06/08/2013 09:51:54 PM 1566 Views
Re: I thank you for the compliment. Fox and Ravens - 07/08/2013 01:53:25 AM 1517 Views
Those are fair points Artsapat - 07/08/2013 11:08:21 AM 1524 Views
Re: Those are fair points Fox and Ravens - 07/08/2013 01:01:55 PM 1545 Views
Oh dear, this is unfortunate. Fanatic-Templar - 07/08/2013 09:46:26 PM 1601 Views
I think you just killed Beetnemesis *NM* Isaac - 07/08/2013 10:56:16 PM 866 Views
Better him than me . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 07/08/2013 11:16:29 PM 864 Views
Re: Oh dear, this is unfortunate. Fox and Ravens - 07/08/2013 11:32:12 PM 1501 Views
I was reading Planescape materials and checking this forum slipped my mind. Fanatic-Templar - 07/08/2013 11:48:29 PM 1530 Views
Re: I was reading Planescape materials and checking this forum slipped my mind. Artsapat - 08/08/2013 08:04:34 AM 1523 Views
Like I said, it's great that you got things moving and I'm not accusing you of anything. Fanatic-Templar - 08/08/2013 06:08:58 PM 1482 Views
nice analysis Taiga - 07/08/2013 10:25:20 AM 1460 Views
Like I said before, Tables=Death Dannymac - 06/08/2013 07:20:07 PM 1551 Views
Re: Like I said before, Tables=Death Isaac - 06/08/2013 08:22:47 PM 1477 Views
Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) Dannymac - 07/08/2013 03:37:36 PM 1475 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) Fox and Ravens - 07/08/2013 04:11:04 PM 1515 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) Isaac - 07/08/2013 04:43:12 PM 1551 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) Fox and Ravens - 07/08/2013 05:34:04 PM 1538 Views
He really is... Praziquantel - 07/08/2013 04:55:59 PM 1511 Views
I think he's worried I'm going to murder him, wonder where he got that idea? Isaac - 07/08/2013 06:09:07 PM 1510 Views
Re: He really is... Artsapat - 07/08/2013 08:36:44 PM 1553 Views
Hm, that's not quite what I was thinking when I said that Praziquantel - 08/08/2013 08:49:11 PM 1430 Views
BAMF? Yunalesca - 07/08/2013 06:31:59 PM 1488 Views
It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports Isaac - 07/08/2013 06:38:24 PM 1562 Views
Re: It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports Yunalesca - 07/08/2013 06:42:30 PM 1600 Views
Re: It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports Isaac - 07/08/2013 06:45:49 PM 1555 Views
When it comes to Marvel, it's Spidey and Deadpool all the way! X-Men. Pffft. Bergioyn - 07/08/2013 10:38:41 PM 1485 Views
Dr Doom was always my favorite hero in Marvel, but Deadpool is pretty cool *NM* Isaac - 07/08/2013 10:52:39 PM 831 Views
Dr Doom has cool costume, but other than that I don't know much about him. Bergioyn - 07/08/2013 11:37:09 PM 1471 Views
He's Marvel's Lex Luthor, only much cooler Isaac - 07/08/2013 11:48:00 PM 1464 Views
I'd actually say he's a bit more like Marvel's Superman than Marvel's Lex Luthor. Fanatic-Templar - 07/08/2013 11:54:14 PM 1577 Views
I'm not a Marvel fan, but Doom is amazing. Fanatic-Templar - 07/08/2013 11:52:09 PM 1482 Views
OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: beetnemesis - 07/08/2013 04:49:33 PM 1555 Views
Re: OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: Fox and Ravens - 07/08/2013 05:44:09 PM 1578 Views
Well, you obviously know something, so out with it Isaac - 07/08/2013 06:33:04 PM 1515 Views
With that in mind... sounds like I hit too close to home, and you got sensitive beetnemesis - 08/08/2013 03:10:50 AM 1549 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis, Are you accusing me of being scum for pointing out your post had no substance? Isaac - 08/08/2013 03:39:25 AM 1602 Views
Re: Fanatic-Templar - 08/08/2013 06:30:26 AM 1500 Views
Granted, as you yourself pointed out: attack is the best defense Artsapat - 08/08/2013 08:17:31 AM 1445 Views
How often do we even have SKs? *NM* Yunalesca - 08/08/2013 09:39:58 AM 944 Views
A lone one? Maybe 1 in 4 games back when we were fielding 12-18 players as the norm Isaac - 08/08/2013 05:05:09 PM 1502 Views
This pushes it over the edge for me too. Fox and Ravens - 08/08/2013 01:13:21 PM 1491 Views
Hah. You got prickly pretty quickly. beetnemesis - 08/08/2013 07:39:24 PM 1508 Views
Prickly? I'm not touchy about it just suspiscious Isaac - 08/08/2013 08:01:39 PM 1479 Views
Re: OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: Yunalesca - 07/08/2013 06:38:45 PM 1512 Views
My feeling is that a "normal" game is pretty easy to balance beetnemesis - 08/08/2013 03:08:09 AM 1488 Views
re Taiga - 07/08/2013 08:36:15 PM 1500 Views
It's terrible. I used to be so active. I was modkilled last game! Oh, the shame... beetnemesis - 08/08/2013 03:11:28 AM 1478 Views
Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? Artsapat - 08/08/2013 04:31:26 PM 1521 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? Fox and Ravens - 08/08/2013 05:44:54 PM 1507 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? Isaac - 08/08/2013 07:51:09 PM 1556 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? Fox and Ravens - 08/08/2013 08:02:45 PM 1512 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? Isaac - 08/08/2013 08:05:52 PM 1643 Views
The thing we want to avoid is MASS roleclaim Artsapat - 09/08/2013 08:30:32 AM 1431 Views
Okay, almost totally off topic but... Isaac - 07/08/2013 11:40:54 PM 1441 Views
The problem with that Artsapat - 08/08/2013 08:09:56 AM 1518 Views
Re: The problem with that Isaac - 08/08/2013 05:02:56 PM 1505 Views
Reminds me of the Cairhien game a bit. Fanatic-Templar - 08/08/2013 06:14:17 PM 1478 Views
That remains one of my favorites Isaac - 08/08/2013 07:48:42 PM 1504 Views
I haaaated the Cairhien game Fox and Ravens - 08/08/2013 08:16:57 PM 1516 Views
Yeah, it was one of my first mods, and one of the first really different ones. Sorry . Fanatic-Templar - 08/08/2013 09:41:27 PM 1541 Views
You should try it again, though! Just maybe give more explanation this time lol *NM* Fox and Ravens - 08/08/2013 10:08:45 PM 913 Views
Well, the big twist has already been revealed, so it wouldn't really work . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 08/08/2013 10:28:20 PM 854 Views
Re: That remains one of my favorites Fanatic-Templar - 08/08/2013 09:42:25 PM 1489 Views
Does anyone else have any opinions? Fox and Ravens - 08/08/2013 05:51:23 PM 1468 Views
My take: beetnemesis - 08/08/2013 08:00:13 PM 1651 Views
Did you just admit to being a scummer? Isaac - 08/08/2013 08:04:21 PM 1528 Views
Hah, remember when I mentioned grasping at straws? beetnemesis - 08/08/2013 09:31:35 PM 1467 Views
We have always used the term that way, always, that and only that back to game 2 Isaac - 08/08/2013 09:44:20 PM 1530 Views
Holy crap, 4 years ago. beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 02:09:09 AM 1386 Views
That's when you asked and were told by the Moderator, it has come up since then many times Isaac - 09/08/2013 04:10:28 AM 1461 Views
I can't be the only person laughing at you right now beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 05:44:03 PM 1474 Views
I doubt anyone is laughing including yourself Isaac - 09/08/2013 06:08:41 PM 1467 Views
No, he's correct. Fanatic-Templar - 08/08/2013 09:53:43 PM 1591 Views
Re: My take: Fox and Ravens - 08/08/2013 08:12:46 PM 1575 Views
To be a student of Isaac is a subtle thing beetnemesis - 08/08/2013 09:30:02 PM 1433 Views
sure Taiga - 08/08/2013 08:44:06 PM 1488 Views
Hmm, my thoughts, Hobo - 08/08/2013 08:56:27 PM 1571 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? Taiga - 08/08/2013 10:30:22 PM 1524 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? Isaac - 08/08/2013 11:18:56 PM 1569 Views
"Post count" usually acts as a tiebreaker beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 02:12:28 AM 1523 Views
I disagree Artsapat - 09/08/2013 09:00:33 AM 1451 Views
Re: I disagree Taiga - 09/08/2013 11:25:29 AM 1451 Views
Several people have called for a roleclaim from beet ranagrande - 09/08/2013 09:06:28 AM 1474 Views
I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here... Hobo - 09/08/2013 09:16:51 AM 1488 Views
Re: I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here... Fox and Ravens - 09/08/2013 03:18:38 PM 1549 Views
No, I meant entrails. ranagrande - 09/08/2013 03:49:21 PM 1449 Views
Re: No, I meant entrails. Fox and Ravens - 09/08/2013 04:05:31 PM 1485 Views
This is awesome- it's like "beetnemesis, This Is Your Life [on RAFO Mafia]" *NM* beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 05:46:05 PM 853 Views
The way this Day is progressing, it's more like "beetnemesis, This Was Your Life [on RAFO Mafia]" *NM* Artsapat - 11/08/2013 09:56:45 AM 918 Views
Ah. Well that definitely explains it. *NM* Hobo - 09/08/2013 04:49:55 PM 852 Views
That's awesome. *NM* Bergioyn - 09/08/2013 09:21:59 PM 841 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? Yunalesca - 09/08/2013 11:48:13 AM 1428 Views
I'll point out that SKs were one of a few options I hypothesized beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 05:47:23 PM 1506 Views
Re: I'll point out that SKs were one of a few options I hypothesized Yunalesca - 09/08/2013 07:10:44 PM 1367 Views
OK, so the smiley was a typo beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 07:26:58 PM 1507 Views
I do, but Praziquantel - 09/08/2013 03:39:28 PM 1482 Views
RBIRL Fanatic-Templar - 09/08/2013 05:50:21 AM 1498 Views
The case on Beetnemesis Isaac - 09/08/2013 05:05:32 PM 1605 Views
Ah good, time for a point-by-point rebuttal beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 06:04:11 PM 1502 Views
EBWOP: A final point beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 06:14:25 PM 1568 Views
Actually... Fanatic-Templar - 09/08/2013 06:38:26 PM 1525 Views
I can't see any difference with Isaac's "aggressiveness". *NM* Yunalesca - 09/08/2013 07:31:28 PM 925 Views
Re: EBWOP: A final point Isaac - 09/08/2013 07:55:19 PM 1594 Views
Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? Isaac - 09/08/2013 07:04:40 PM 1566 Views
Shrug, I have nothing against roleclaiming. Roleclaim: Tracker beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 07:33:40 PM 1505 Views
Correct me if wrong... Hobo - 09/08/2013 08:39:58 PM 1535 Views
Exactly! Yunalesca - 09/08/2013 11:06:25 PM 1541 Views
Wow, I'm gone for 24 hours, Hobo - 11/08/2013 12:02:38 AM 1503 Views
No, you just did everything you could to avoid it, like claiming almost no one had asked... Isaac - 09/08/2013 08:42:10 PM 1616 Views
I think you're right. ranagrande - 09/08/2013 11:47:32 PM 1736 Views
Re: Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? Hobo - 09/08/2013 07:49:12 PM 1493 Views
Re: Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? Fox and Ravens - 09/08/2013 08:04:42 PM 1587 Views
I really want to give beet the benefit of the doubt with the bussing vs bandwagon thing Fox and Ravens - 09/08/2013 08:15:51 PM 1483 Views
too much mud Taiga - 09/08/2013 09:50:35 PM 1597 Views
Alright, haven't fully caught up yet, but I wanted to get my thoughts out there Praziquantel - 10/08/2013 10:36:20 PM 1508 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis Artsapat - 11/08/2013 10:32:51 AM 1676 Views
@ Mod, Vote Check Isaac - 11/08/2013 04:46:16 PM 1513 Views
That's a valid vote, I had missed it. Twilight pending. Bergioyn - 11/08/2013 05:36:13 PM 1492 Views
Actually, so did I. Did I hammer? Artsapat - 11/08/2013 05:55:14 PM 1449 Views
Yes. *NM* Bergioyn - 11/08/2013 05:59:47 PM 745 Views
beetnemesis has been lynched. Bergioyn - 11/08/2013 05:52:43 PM 1557 Views
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