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Nice try. ranagrande Send a noteboard - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM

View original postSo on Day 1 I point out that I don't need anyone to die to win and you express incredulity at the statement.

Then yesterDay when you get called out on it you're all "No, no, that's perfectly credible and in fact, I don't need to lynch anyone either!"

And now you've reverted back to doubting the believability of the role you've roleclaimed as.

I'm calling a lynch all liars on this one.


I have been entirely consistent in this game. Yesterday, enough people claimed to be able to win without lynching that I found it plausible. As I've said, I'm a Survivor. That means that if anyone wins while I'm still alive, I win too. So if the town in this game can win without lynching, then I also could win without lynching.

That's the part I now doubt. It has nothing to do with my role. I don't believe your role.

Why the sudden change?

Isaac recently posted a deadline message, and ended it with:

View original postLast note: Chess, Checkers, Monopoly, etc are specific games with specific rules. You can vary them a bit, for fun and something new, but the core concept of the game needs to remain or its a different game, which is fine but you wouldn't call it Chess anymore if you did. People might disagree on what the core concept of chess is, but if someone said they thought the core of the game revolved around protecting your king while checkmating the other guy's then anything that removes that component wouldn't be, in their eyes, chess anymore. So if you know what they consider the core concept you may safely assume it remains. Deduction, a core component of most strategy games, would allow one to make an educated guess what a given person considered that core concept to be with some searching but ideally it should be in the rules of the game itself, or so I have always felt.

OK, so let's look at the rules, conveniently written by Isaac, our moderator. Look at the topic headings. "Introduction," "Do's and Do Not's," "The Lynch." Clearly, Isaac considers lynching to be a "core concept" in mafia, and he would not have posted as he did if the town could win without lynching.

My statements yesterday presupposed that you were telling the truth, and that is something I no longer believe. Perhaps you're part of a cult, as beetnemesis has theorized. In any event, you're not what you say you are. The only reason I voted for Taiga instead of for you is that he's already got a vote against him.

Now whether you're a cult or some other scum faction, I, as a Survivor, could still win as long as you won. So why would I stick my neck out for the town like this? The answer is simple, and I suspect is the same reason that prompted Isaac to post as he did.

All these deadline no-lynches are boring.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 2391 Views
For clarification: was this a modkill? Or is it deliberately ambiguous? *NM* beetnemesis - 16/11/2013 07:11:15 AM 1009 Views
Not a modkill Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:12:15 AM 1378 Views
Also not a self-kill Isaac - 19/11/2013 09:01:36 PM 1447 Views
Notes from Mod Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:11:43 AM 1490 Views
So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 16/11/2013 08:07:47 PM 1508 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Yunalesca - 17/11/2013 09:57:02 AM 2094 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 17/11/2013 01:41:07 PM 1668 Views
We have learned quite a bit. ranagrande - 17/11/2013 05:11:02 PM 1588 Views
And we would by hypocopping what? Fanatic-Templar - 17/11/2013 10:23:06 PM 1554 Views
Re: And we would by hypocopping what? Taiga - 18/11/2013 10:02:45 AM 1458 Views
The City-Watch group is what I also expected Artsapat - 18/11/2013 02:09:37 PM 1402 Views
Re: The City-Watch group is what I also expected ranagrande - 18/11/2013 09:43:00 PM 1461 Views
Oh man I am going to be so happy when we find and kill this thief. beetnemesis - 18/11/2013 11:58:26 PM 1439 Views
Did your hat do anything? beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 04:14:33 PM 1428 Views
No. ranagrande - 20/11/2013 05:49:17 AM 1476 Views
+1 *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:14:22 AM 933 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Praziquantel - 18/11/2013 08:49:57 PM 1501 Views
They might get bonuses when a foreigner/Undead dies. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 18/11/2013 10:25:02 PM 910 Views
He was going to die anyway. *NM* Praziquantel - 19/11/2013 12:07:11 AM 857 Views
He might've been replaced. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 06:23:52 AM 1433 Views
He might've, but NKing anybody else at least gave the chance of killing two birds with one stone. Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:34:38 AM 1567 Views
Yeah, it's just my best guess. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 05:08:32 PM 1631 Views
There is another "Smith" in Discworld- the Wintersmith beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 06:08:28 PM 1457 Views
Wait so someone with a nightkill died? ? - 19/11/2013 07:00:58 PM 1448 Views
Well, Stephen was not part of an NK-group, Artsapat - 19/11/2013 07:45:46 PM 1495 Views
Question [table] Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:22:57 PM 1555 Views
Re: Question [table] Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2013 03:52:56 AM 1391 Views
Was it the number 42? *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:17:13 AM 875 Views
...worst epiphany ever *NM* beetnemesis - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 864 Views
My D3M said even less then F-T's...so nothing happened. *NM* Taiga - 20/11/2013 06:14:01 AM 878 Views
Same here... at least last night I got a message about that zombie. Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:36:49 AM 1450 Views
EBWOP Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1493 Views
Re: Question [table] Yunalesca - 20/11/2013 10:21:27 PM 1965 Views
Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 863 Views
Re: Question [table] Taiga - 21/11/2013 10:23:11 AM 1545 Views
Nothing happened to me. *NM* ? - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 950 Views
Me neither. *NM* Bergioyn - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1261 Views
OK, so, Hypocop table. beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:22:03 PM 1570 Views
Beriogyn- Not Guilty *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:23:46 PM 844 Views
Artsapat - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 21/11/2013 08:21:16 PM 803 Views
I'm sorry, but as I mentioned, I already claimed being blocked Artsapat - 21/11/2013 09:01:00 PM 1433 Views
I did not perform a Night Action to preserve Morale. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2013 09:39:10 PM 883 Views
You know what surprises me? ? - 21/11/2013 11:58:00 PM 1448 Views
I suspect this whole confusion with life and reality thing may have been a roleblock attempt. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/11/2013 04:30:14 AM 829 Views
Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* ? - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 812 Views
Praziquantel-Not Guilty *NM* ? - 21/11/2013 11:53:48 PM 883 Views
Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty *NM* Yunalesca - 22/11/2013 12:17:32 AM 1628 Views
Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty Sacrilicious Toast - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1523 Views
Praziquantel - Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 22/11/2013 10:15:40 AM 906 Views
Bergioyn - not guilty *NM* Taiga - 22/11/2013 02:10:42 PM 809 Views
F-T -- Not Guilty *NM* Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:54:20 AM 910 Views
Event 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 24/11/2013 04:25:20 PM 1493 Views
So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? Artsapat - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 1416 Views
How do you think we could hypocop this? *NM* beetnemesis - 25/11/2013 03:46:53 PM 830 Views
Depending on what type of outcome we each get... Artsapat - 25/11/2013 06:40:26 PM 1428 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline Tuesday evening *NM* Isaac - 26/11/2013 05:22:09 PM 853 Views
Argh. I was travelling and completely forgot. *NM* beetnemesis - 27/11/2013 04:38:03 PM 798 Views
I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* Isaac - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 881 Views
Event Resolution Isaac - 30/11/2013 09:08:54 AM 1536 Views
So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 01:21:58 PM 914 Views
I picked option 3. *NM* Yunalesca - 30/11/2013 01:45:38 PM 1244 Views
And? What happened to you guys? ? - 30/11/2013 02:35:52 PM 1503 Views
I found and beat up a Hippo, but he claims the Hippo's had nothing to do with the bridge. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 06:26:27 PM 808 Views
Re: And? What happened to you guys? Yunalesca - 01/12/2013 07:24:53 PM 2093 Views
Hm, well that's something Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:49:17 AM 1336 Views
To add Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 1457 Views
I helped capture the hippo (animal, not the terrorist) beetnemesis - 30/11/2013 03:21:44 PM 1414 Views
As did I. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 812 Views
Me too *NM* Taiga - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 822 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 826 Views
Re: So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. Sacrilicious Toast - 30/11/2013 09:50:30 PM 1445 Views
I chose Option 8. ranagrande - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 1437 Views
Re: Event Resolution Taiga - 02/12/2013 12:03:02 PM 1357 Views
I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1523 Views
I honestly thought I'd be the only one doing it beetnemesis - 02/12/2013 03:53:32 PM 1418 Views
I didn't want to risk going after the wrong people. Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2013 06:37:41 PM 1421 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 07:20:43 PM 1440 Views
I followed the dwarf ? - 02/12/2013 09:24:25 PM 1529 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 03/12/2013 01:07:12 PM 1370 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 1320 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 1367 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* ranagrande - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 820 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" beetnemesis - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 1391 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* ranagrande - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1553 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1281 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* beetnemesis - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 722 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors Artsapat - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1716 Views
ROFL! *NM* Isaac - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 784 Views
Sorry for my absence Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:52:11 AM 1363 Views
I'm going to be busy for a while over the weekend Artsapat - 29/11/2013 11:04:15 AM 1325 Views
I think we're waiting for the Event results. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 29/11/2013 07:00:32 PM 864 Views
As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM 1729 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Fanatic-Templar - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 1422 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 1353 Views
I'm still not willing to roleclaim yet. Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:00:21 PM 1406 Views
Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. Bergioyn - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM 2002 Views
Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. beetnemesis - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1569 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Sacrilicious Toast - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1732 Views
So: you're number FIVE? Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 1362 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 1322 Views
I don't believe it either. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1507 Views
Speaking of believability issues... Fanatic-Templar - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 1342 Views
Nice try. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 1453 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 1416 Views
Re: Nice try. Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1594 Views
I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1644 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* ? - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 826 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ? - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 1373 Views
That was part of my reasoning Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 1384 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ranagrande - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 1450 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 1487 Views
Vote: ranagrande Bergioyn - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 1472 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 1383 Views
Honestly I am torn. ? - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 1344 Views
I do not claim this. ? - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 1397 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Praziquantel - 06/12/2013 12:30:03 PM 1672 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Taiga - 09/12/2013 09:12:08 AM 1395 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear ? - 10/12/2013 02:27:52 AM 1394 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th Isaac - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 1372 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 1468 Views
Have a good trip Praziquantel - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1566 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? beetnemesis - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 1388 Views
No I haven't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 1385 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 1405 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1501 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 1341 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 1439 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 796 Views
Me neither Taiga - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 1363 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 893 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 1338 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 1384 Views
Re: Mostly because .... Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 1335 Views
Thanks! beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1523 Views
What is the case against Taiga? beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 1426 Views
How awkward Taiga - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 1393 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 1374 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* Taiga - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 791 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 1333 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 Isaac - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 1369 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1418 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 1367 Views
Nice timing. *NM* Bergioyn - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 907 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 1303 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 1307 Views
Seems like a silly excuse Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 1408 Views
Not really. beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 1373 Views
Reaching for what? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 1467 Views
Also, does anyone have any idea why FT always capitalizes the word "Day?" I can't think of a reason *NM* beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:27:46 PM 800 Views
To distinguish game Days from real life days Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:30:40 PM 1361 Views
So, your argument is: beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 1418 Views
Re: So, your argument is: Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1504 Views
Re: Not really. Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1642 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. ? - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 1436 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) Isaac - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 1299 Views
Twilight 3 Isaac - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1709 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 ranagrande - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 1443 Views
I think most of us will Artsapat - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 1417 Views
We tend to have a small spike between Xmas and New Years I've noticed Isaac - 23/12/2013 01:23:00 PM 1340 Views
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