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Nice try. ranagrande Send a noteboard - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM

View original postSo on Day 1 I point out that I don't need anyone to die to win and you express incredulity at the statement.

Then yesterDay when you get called out on it you're all "No, no, that's perfectly credible and in fact, I don't need to lynch anyone either!"

And now you've reverted back to doubting the believability of the role you've roleclaimed as.

I'm calling a lynch all liars on this one.


I have been entirely consistent in this game. Yesterday, enough people claimed to be able to win without lynching that I found it plausible. As I've said, I'm a Survivor. That means that if anyone wins while I'm still alive, I win too. So if the town in this game can win without lynching, then I also could win without lynching.

That's the part I now doubt. It has nothing to do with my role. I don't believe your role.

Why the sudden change?

Isaac recently posted a deadline message, and ended it with:

View original postLast note: Chess, Checkers, Monopoly, etc are specific games with specific rules. You can vary them a bit, for fun and something new, but the core concept of the game needs to remain or its a different game, which is fine but you wouldn't call it Chess anymore if you did. People might disagree on what the core concept of chess is, but if someone said they thought the core of the game revolved around protecting your king while checkmating the other guy's then anything that removes that component wouldn't be, in their eyes, chess anymore. So if you know what they consider the core concept you may safely assume it remains. Deduction, a core component of most strategy games, would allow one to make an educated guess what a given person considered that core concept to be with some searching but ideally it should be in the rules of the game itself, or so I have always felt.

OK, so let's look at the rules, conveniently written by Isaac, our moderator. Look at the topic headings. "Introduction," "Do's and Do Not's," "The Lynch." Clearly, Isaac considers lynching to be a "core concept" in mafia, and he would not have posted as he did if the town could win without lynching.

My statements yesterday presupposed that you were telling the truth, and that is something I no longer believe. Perhaps you're part of a cult, as beetnemesis has theorized. In any event, you're not what you say you are. The only reason I voted for Taiga instead of for you is that he's already got a vote against him.

Now whether you're a cult or some other scum faction, I, as a Survivor, could still win as long as you won. So why would I stick my neck out for the town like this? The answer is simple, and I suspect is the same reason that prompted Isaac to post as he did.

All these deadline no-lynches are boring.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 2614 Views
For clarification: was this a modkill? Or is it deliberately ambiguous? *NM* beetnemesis - 16/11/2013 07:11:15 AM 1161 Views
Not a modkill Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:12:15 AM 1573 Views
Also not a self-kill Isaac - 19/11/2013 09:01:36 PM 1633 Views
Notes from Mod Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:11:43 AM 1712 Views
So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 16/11/2013 08:07:47 PM 1704 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Yunalesca - 17/11/2013 09:57:02 AM 2323 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 17/11/2013 01:41:07 PM 1886 Views
We have learned quite a bit. ranagrande - 17/11/2013 05:11:02 PM 1789 Views
And we would by hypocopping what? Fanatic-Templar - 17/11/2013 10:23:06 PM 1768 Views
Re: And we would by hypocopping what? Taiga - 18/11/2013 10:02:45 AM 1683 Views
The City-Watch group is what I also expected Artsapat - 18/11/2013 02:09:37 PM 1606 Views
Re: The City-Watch group is what I also expected ranagrande - 18/11/2013 09:43:00 PM 1655 Views
Oh man I am going to be so happy when we find and kill this thief. beetnemesis - 18/11/2013 11:58:26 PM 1654 Views
Did your hat do anything? beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 04:14:33 PM 1616 Views
No. ranagrande - 20/11/2013 05:49:17 AM 1686 Views
+1 *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:14:22 AM 1103 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Praziquantel - 18/11/2013 08:49:57 PM 1733 Views
They might get bonuses when a foreigner/Undead dies. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 18/11/2013 10:25:02 PM 1070 Views
He was going to die anyway. *NM* Praziquantel - 19/11/2013 12:07:11 AM 982 Views
He might've been replaced. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 06:23:52 AM 1684 Views
He might've, but NKing anybody else at least gave the chance of killing two birds with one stone. Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:34:38 AM 1800 Views
Yeah, it's just my best guess. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 05:08:32 PM 1841 Views
There is another "Smith" in Discworld- the Wintersmith beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 06:08:28 PM 1676 Views
Wait so someone with a nightkill died? ? - 19/11/2013 07:00:58 PM 1660 Views
Well, Stephen was not part of an NK-group, Artsapat - 19/11/2013 07:45:46 PM 1719 Views
Question [table] Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:22:57 PM 1771 Views
Re: Question [table] Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2013 03:52:56 AM 1597 Views
Was it the number 42? *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:17:13 AM 1033 Views
...worst epiphany ever *NM* beetnemesis - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 993 Views
My D3M said even less then F-T's...so nothing happened. *NM* Taiga - 20/11/2013 06:14:01 AM 995 Views
Same here... at least last night I got a message about that zombie. Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:36:49 AM 1659 Views
EBWOP Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1701 Views
Re: Question [table] Yunalesca - 20/11/2013 10:21:27 PM 2189 Views
Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 976 Views
Re: Question [table] Taiga - 21/11/2013 10:23:11 AM 1757 Views
Nothing happened to me. *NM* ? - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 1063 Views
Me neither. *NM* Bergioyn - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1437 Views
OK, so, Hypocop table. beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:22:03 PM 1783 Views
Beriogyn- Not Guilty *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:23:46 PM 966 Views
Artsapat - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 21/11/2013 08:21:16 PM 933 Views
I'm sorry, but as I mentioned, I already claimed being blocked Artsapat - 21/11/2013 09:01:00 PM 1656 Views
I did not perform a Night Action to preserve Morale. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2013 09:39:10 PM 998 Views
You know what surprises me? ? - 21/11/2013 11:58:00 PM 1660 Views
I suspect this whole confusion with life and reality thing may have been a roleblock attempt. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/11/2013 04:30:14 AM 951 Views
Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* ? - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 953 Views
Praziquantel-Not Guilty *NM* ? - 21/11/2013 11:53:48 PM 1022 Views
Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty *NM* Yunalesca - 22/11/2013 12:17:32 AM 1773 Views
Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty Sacrilicious Toast - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1720 Views
Praziquantel - Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 22/11/2013 10:15:40 AM 1031 Views
Bergioyn - not guilty *NM* Taiga - 22/11/2013 02:10:42 PM 939 Views
F-T -- Not Guilty *NM* Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:54:20 AM 1029 Views
Event 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 24/11/2013 04:25:20 PM 1728 Views
So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? Artsapat - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 1644 Views
How do you think we could hypocop this? *NM* beetnemesis - 25/11/2013 03:46:53 PM 970 Views
Depending on what type of outcome we each get... Artsapat - 25/11/2013 06:40:26 PM 1654 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline Tuesday evening *NM* Isaac - 26/11/2013 05:22:09 PM 1008 Views
Argh. I was travelling and completely forgot. *NM* beetnemesis - 27/11/2013 04:38:03 PM 917 Views
I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* Isaac - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 1056 Views
Event Resolution Isaac - 30/11/2013 09:08:54 AM 1768 Views
So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 01:21:58 PM 1047 Views
I picked option 3. *NM* Yunalesca - 30/11/2013 01:45:38 PM 1393 Views
And? What happened to you guys? ? - 30/11/2013 02:35:52 PM 1759 Views
I found and beat up a Hippo, but he claims the Hippo's had nothing to do with the bridge. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 06:26:27 PM 949 Views
Re: And? What happened to you guys? Yunalesca - 01/12/2013 07:24:53 PM 2302 Views
Hm, well that's something Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:49:17 AM 1553 Views
To add Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 1682 Views
I helped capture the hippo (animal, not the terrorist) beetnemesis - 30/11/2013 03:21:44 PM 1634 Views
As did I. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 962 Views
Me too *NM* Taiga - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 952 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 941 Views
Re: So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. Sacrilicious Toast - 30/11/2013 09:50:30 PM 1665 Views
I chose Option 8. ranagrande - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 1642 Views
Re: Event Resolution Taiga - 02/12/2013 12:03:02 PM 1574 Views
I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1748 Views
I honestly thought I'd be the only one doing it beetnemesis - 02/12/2013 03:53:32 PM 1638 Views
I didn't want to risk going after the wrong people. Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2013 06:37:41 PM 1636 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 07:20:43 PM 1650 Views
I followed the dwarf ? - 02/12/2013 09:24:25 PM 1753 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 03/12/2013 01:07:12 PM 1593 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 1546 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 1583 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* ranagrande - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 935 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" beetnemesis - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 1592 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* ranagrande - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1789 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1417 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* beetnemesis - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 871 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors Artsapat - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1938 Views
ROFL! *NM* Isaac - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 907 Views
Sorry for my absence Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:52:11 AM 1576 Views
I'm going to be busy for a while over the weekend Artsapat - 29/11/2013 11:04:15 AM 1561 Views
I think we're waiting for the Event results. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 29/11/2013 07:00:32 PM 1001 Views
As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM 1936 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Fanatic-Templar - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 1647 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 1559 Views
I'm still not willing to roleclaim yet. Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:00:21 PM 1631 Views
Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. Bergioyn - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM 2224 Views
Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. beetnemesis - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1842 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Sacrilicious Toast - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1930 Views
So: you're number FIVE? Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 1570 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 1567 Views
I don't believe it either. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1735 Views
Speaking of believability issues... Fanatic-Templar - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 1564 Views
Nice try. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 1683 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 1640 Views
Re: Nice try. Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1807 Views
I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1862 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* ? - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 990 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ? - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 1589 Views
That was part of my reasoning Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 1592 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ranagrande - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 1652 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 1699 Views
Vote: ranagrande Bergioyn - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 1680 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 1584 Views
Honestly I am torn. ? - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 1570 Views
I do not claim this. ? - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 1619 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Praziquantel - 06/12/2013 12:30:03 PM 1896 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Taiga - 09/12/2013 09:12:08 AM 1630 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear ? - 10/12/2013 02:27:52 AM 1591 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th Isaac - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 1587 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 1697 Views
Have a good trip Praziquantel - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1777 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? beetnemesis - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 1608 Views
No I haven't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 1605 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 1620 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1695 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 1550 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 1672 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 913 Views
Me neither Taiga - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 1578 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 1026 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 1524 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 1591 Views
Re: Mostly because .... Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 1558 Views
Thanks! beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1734 Views
What is the case against Taiga? beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 1649 Views
How awkward Taiga - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 1598 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 1585 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* Taiga - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 919 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 1549 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 Isaac - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 1579 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1649 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 1568 Views
Nice timing. *NM* Bergioyn - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 1058 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 1517 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 1525 Views
Seems like a silly excuse Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 1634 Views
Not really. beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 1587 Views
Reaching for what? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 1696 Views
Also, does anyone have any idea why FT always capitalizes the word "Day?" I can't think of a reason *NM* beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:27:46 PM 1001 Views
To distinguish game Days from real life days Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:30:40 PM 1559 Views
So, your argument is: beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 1665 Views
Re: So, your argument is: Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1757 Views
Re: Not really. Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1855 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. ? - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 1641 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) Isaac - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 1522 Views
Twilight 3 Isaac - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1942 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 ranagrande - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 1651 Views
I think most of us will Artsapat - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 1661 Views
We tend to have a small spike between Xmas and New Years I've noticed Isaac - 23/12/2013 01:23:00 PM 1560 Views
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