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Jerks? Um, no. Fools, yes. Comet Sedai Send a noteboard - 07/05/2010 03:20:00 AM
I don't blame Sawyer for Sayid, Jin, Sun, and Frank's deaths in the same way I don't blame Jack for Juliet's death. Doing so would be ridiculous. Sawyer, the penultimate con man, got conned by the ultimate con man. UnLocke played him like a drum, acting friendly enough for Sawyer to think HE had the upper hand (not to mention wearing the face of man Sawyer considered a coward, prejudicing Sawyer ever so subtly) to being sufficiently UNtrustworthy that Sawyer was bound to mistrust him and try to keep him off the sub. I don't blame Sawyer for not being willing to believe Jack. Sawyer wasn't there for the whole Richard fiasco on the Black Rock (incidentally, too bad Hurley didn't speak up, but again, it was CRAZY time).

But how was Jack a jerk in this episode? He fell for the same manipulation. Wearing Locke's face, UnLocke gives the impression that you can beat him, and Jack, a recovering controlling freak, is thereby easy to deceive. And what's with this idea that Jack should have sent Kate down the sub with Claire?! She's the love of his life and she is dying from a gunshot wound, and JACK IS A DOCTOR. Of course he went on board. Would you trust a bleeding, dying Kate to CLAIRE of all people? Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if (a) Jack intended to (argue in favor of) resurface once they were out of Locke's range and (b) the 'Widmore' men shooting from behind the trees were really UnLocke's followers. Yes, I knew right away when UnLocke put the backpack on Jack that there was C4 inside. A real 'duh, Jack' moment. But jerk? I really don't see it. He and Sawyer got conned by the Essence of Evil.

And finally, as for Jin, I disagree. Yes, it is tragic for little Ji Yeon, and yes, I wanted him to live. But at that moment, with the plane spiked with bombs, and the sub sinking, and crazy Widmore and UnLocke battling it out, and no more oxygen tanks available, I really have to wonder if Jin had any real hopes of not only surviving, but making it off the Island. He did the calculus. Had he left Sun to die alone, he would have hated himself forever, and even if he made it off the Island, the recovering gangster would have been a traumatized father to a child he only recently discovered. It would seem that Ji Yeon is in the care of Sun's mom. She was completely estranged (and bankrupt) her mobster father. Meanwhile, right in front of him, is the love of his life and the center of his emotional universe. Sure it *sounds* easy enough for him to have just left her there to die, and YES, I was very sad that he chose to die with her, but does that make him a jerk? I just don't think so.

Wow. I must admit, the episode really upset me. I have rambled on like this since the whole 'it's all about KATE?!?' fiasco at the end of season 5.
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