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He was going to put aside his principles and say, 'I betrayed my country and my king and my people'. Joel Send a noteboard - 13/06/2011 05:55:39 AM
Always seemed to me like NOT having morals killed him, and as far as it being a shock, I recall throwing the book across the room the moment he agreed to it because it OBVIOUSLY made him as dead as he was dishonored. The one character in the entire book I actually respected and understood, and he not only sacrifices his loyalty to honor, justice, his best friend and his kingdom, but in such a blindingly STUPID way that it made me wonder whether prison had shattered his mind. He surrendered the sole (but substantial) leverage he had, which meant he had no way to force the Lannisters to honor any part of the deal. Whatever Joffrey does is irrelevant (and for all the "I based it on the Wars of the Roses" talk, juvenile kings of that era were entirely pawns of whomever managed to get themselves appointed regent, usually mothers like Cersei). The Lannisters CANNOT allow Ned to live knowing what he knows, both because they can't afford it to become common knowledge and because Ned would've spent whatever life would have remained him seeking vengeance at any cost (and, clearly, if the price is right Neds honor's as negotiable that of everyone in ASoIaF). The moment he agrees to their terms he's a dead man who can save nothing and no one, but by agreeing to them in the first place he's also dishonored; he dies for nothing, and is truly the traitor he confesses to be, just for different reasons.

Ned Stark didn't die for his principles, he died for his stupidity and weakness, but that's ASoIaF for ya. I'm glad I only read one volume; I just wish I could regain those few hours better spent otherwise.
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interesting thread over on tv guide...cannoli will hate it. - 13/06/2011 05:14:48 AM 1014 Views
He was going to put aside his principles and say, 'I betrayed my country and my king and my people'. - 13/06/2011 05:55:39 AM 711 Views
I am sorry but that is a bunch of BS - 13/06/2011 12:01:18 PM 557 Views
I believe you mean "retract", not "retrack". *NM* - 13/06/2011 02:22:55 PM 370 Views
I'd pick family over honour. - 13/06/2011 10:05:46 PM 588 Views
Re: I'd pick family over honour. - 16/06/2011 07:21:33 AM 580 Views
Potentially- but the only Lannister who thought so was Joffrey. - 16/06/2011 09:19:39 PM 517 Views
wow - 14/06/2011 01:44:19 AM 545 Views
Well said. Except for quitting after one book. *NM* - 17/06/2011 09:38:37 PM 377 Views
I guess Bean didn't read the later books. - 17/06/2011 09:44:45 PM 556 Views

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