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Where's the fun in only arguing one side? :p Nate Send a noteboard - 14/09/2011 11:10:05 PM
Yes. So do I. As I just argued to Dom. The reason why Valkyrie is a more dubious case is that it's not so much a "classic story" as it is a part of recent German history (not as recent as some things that people already care far less about, true, but then there are many reasons why WW2 remains "recent" for a good while). And then there's Tom Cruise, a believer of a rather absurd cult that Germany in particular already has issues with anyhow, and a man whose motivation for making this movie was, as I recall, "as a kid I always fantasized about killing Hitler".


Is it fair to say, then, that your issues with the film are more about the many incidentals and circumstances surrounding it than about the actual content that's on the screen? If you watched the movie knowing nothing about Tom Cruise or the director or the controversy about doing that sort of portrayal of 60-year-old German history, would you still dislike it?

Also, there's the argument that even though Stauffenberg is a very German icon, his story is utterly wound up in the overall history of WWII, which is of massive historical interest to people from nations throughout the world, including America.
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Oh dear. I may not survive this. *NM* Camilla - 13/09/2011 01:34:33 PM 271 Views
I plan to... DomA - 13/09/2011 09:51:33 PM 663 Views
are there French actors who would lower themselves to an America Film? LadyLorraine - 14/09/2011 02:49:53 PM 592 Views
Gerard Depardieu? *NM* TaskmasterJack - 14/09/2011 10:58:16 PM 255 Views
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Lower? DomA - 14/09/2011 11:52:46 PM 642 Views
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Re: The "lower" was mostly a joke DomA - 15/09/2011 04:28:36 AM 630 Views
I explained to you why a majority of America would not be comfortable. LadyLorraine - 15/09/2011 01:27:19 PM 602 Views
Although, from what I recall of my brief anime phase... Fanatic-Templar - 15/09/2011 06:43:05 PM 629 Views
anime usually STARTS weird and uncomfortable *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2011 09:39:01 PM 254 Views
Re: I explained to you why a majority of America would not be comfortable. DomA - 16/09/2011 10:48:36 PM 602 Views
That seems a bit harsh. Legolas - 14/09/2011 07:35:56 PM 791 Views
I am confused... ironclad - 14/09/2011 09:46:45 PM 571 Views
At a guess ... Nate - 14/09/2011 10:05:00 PM 668 Views
No. I try to pretend Valkyrie doesn't exist. Legolas - 14/09/2011 10:12:25 PM 750 Views
Can I ask why? You've got me curious. Nate - 14/09/2011 10:33:57 PM 666 Views
Are you really trying to make me argue both sides of the argument in one thread? Legolas - 14/09/2011 11:04:50 PM 628 Views
Where's the fun in only arguing one side? :p Nate - 14/09/2011 11:10:05 PM 587 Views
Clearly the answer is I shouldn't refer to movies I haven't seen nor want to see. Legolas - 14/09/2011 10:10:37 PM 611 Views
I had no idea Scarlett and Ashley were played by brits *NM* LadyLorraine - 14/09/2011 11:01:06 PM 264 Views
And not just any Brits... Leslie Howard died on some sort of mission for his government in the war. Legolas - 14/09/2011 11:08:26 PM 570 Views
I don't care much about the nationality of actors Darth_Katie - 14/09/2011 11:51:57 PM 615 Views
+1 *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2011 01:47:30 AM 231 Views
Re: That seems a bit harsh. DomA - 15/09/2011 01:54:45 AM 736 Views
Ok, if Orlando Bloom is a cackling over-acting villian, I may have to see this. Darth_Katie - 13/09/2011 10:03:06 PM 619 Views
lol!! *NM* LadyLorraine - 14/09/2011 02:43:21 PM 258 Views
Haven't seen it yet, but... Not An Hava - 14/09/2011 02:17:02 AM 777 Views
I think with that attitude it is entirely possible to have fun with this film. *NM* ironclad - 14/09/2011 11:48:50 AM 265 Views
Man, it's been a long time since I read "The Three Musketeers". Fanatic-Templar - 15/09/2011 05:16:06 AM 693 Views
Definitely waiting for this to hit the cheap theater. Then it can just be a guilty pleasure. *NM* Zalis - 15/09/2011 01:24:23 PM 256 Views
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