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I forgot Kripke was involved in this, but it's no surprise "he" isn't doing as well. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 19/10/2012 11:47:28 PM
How can you say it is impossible for empires that size? Just take a look at the sizes of some of the empires extant in the ancient world without long distance communications or steam engines. Rome did it, the Persians did it. Why couldn't modern man?
Rome's was oriented around an almost-inland sea. IDK about the Persian Empire, but I always have trouble comparing distances in the Old World and New. I think the geography argues against it though, without a well-established civilization. One that popped in 15 years, in defiance of the residents' prior expectations? I can't believe a central government could exert that kind of control without better technological advantages. And it is not as simple as seeing what the tech was like JUST before electricity. As the fisherman pointed out to Maggie, there was nobody left who knows how to operate ocean-going sailing vessels. Likewise, blacksmiths and gun-makers and weavers and all sorts of other skill-sets that were employed in the pre-electric era have to be REdiscovered. There should be a serious shortage of skilled fighting men to maintain that kind of control. The Persians et al were relying on established civilization, which is kind of missing in a post-apocalypse America.

I will say this though, I really enjoyed Esposito's performance this episode, primarily during the flashbacks. He is easily the only good actor on the show.
Did you see him in Breaking Bad, seasons 3&4? He just about stole the show, right from under the two Emmy winners who head it up.

I don't understand why this show has turned out to be so horrible, when you consider what an awesome show Kripke created with Supernatural (I almost can't believe I ended up loving not just one show, but two shows, from the CW, the other being Arrow).
I think Supernatural worked as well as it did because of the smaller scope. It had a very simple and basic premise and a visceral appeal (dudes with guns and blades, cruising through small town America in a classic Detroit muscle car; you wanted to BE Dean & Sam). The show inititally relied on previously established horror monsters to hold things down until it was on firm enough ground to start building its own mythology.

This show has pretty much gone in the opposite direction, with a mythology-heavy story that asks the audience to swallow too much from the start. On Supernatural, you believed that if ghosts were real, yeah, guys like this might be who dealt with them. Also, a rotating stable of not-necessarily-hot chicks, but more girl-next-door types seem to work better at appealing to the baser instincts of the viewers than the same three or four prettily-messed-up-'cause-we-live-in-filth chicks week in and week out. Also, TV writers can only write women in so many ways and thus the techniques of personal disagreement they use to create conflict on a weekly basis tends to get you annoyed at the chicks when they keep acting like chicks week in and week out. On Supernatural, you never had time to build up resentment against them, because they were only there for a single episode apiece and usually died or ended up admitting the heroes were right in the end, and usually thanked them. The only women in more than one episode were all villains, at least until the Harvelles showed up. (this is not a knock on women, BTW, but on the limited creativity of TV writers in portraying female characters)

Also, I thought I read somewhere that although Daryl originally was not in the comics, the writers saw how popular his character is on the show and so decided to write him into the comics. Pretty sure I saw that somewhere.
Still waiting. AFAIK, he never showed up, nor anyone like him. It's been two years. I think he'd have appeared by now.

I still want Lennie Bruce back. If they have changed a lot from the comics, then they can have his character still be alive.

And, for the record, I remember being 10 years old and lusting like crazy over the teenage daughter of one of my mom and dad's friends.
He's still a lot bigger than comic Carl.


Especially the opening sequence, for all the reasons you mentioned. Personally, I think that was the best 5 minutes or so of the show since it first started.

My complaints about the previous 2 seasons seem to be inline with yours, and I hold out hope that the changes they have made for this season premiere will remain, and that the show will handle the scenario better than it did the previous two seasons.

I am not a fan of the zombie genre (my sister is an absolute FREAK for zombies though), but I do love me some post-apocalypse stories. The best show I've seen of the PA genre was Jericho, but if The Walking Dead season 3 continues in this new direction, it will easily overtake Jericho IMO.
I was disappointed in Jericho getting canceled just when it was starting to get good and move beyond the "survival crisis of the week" stories.

Of the current PA shows, The Walking Dead is light years beyond Revolution in its handling of a post apocalypse setting (even though Revolution finally had a somewhat decent episode this week).
It is physically impossible for them to be ruling empires of the size depicted on that map, with no railroads operational (until this episode), and no telecommunications.

Also, most of my complaints about Lori, Herschel & Andrea not accepting the apocalyptic nature of their scenarios go like 800 times that for Charlie! She GREW UP in the post-apocalypse! She knows NOTHING else! She lacks even the excuses of the Walking Dead people who are having trouble adjusting to the new requisite mindset. That confrontation with Miles where she asks "What happened to that guy?" made me want to throttle her. Hey, dumbass, an apocalypse, some warfare, a breach of friendship, and the deaths or kidnappings of 75% of his surviving family members, THAT's what happened to your fun uncle!

Also, going after both the bomb and Danny was moronic. They divide their forces, knowing that if the bad guys have any sense, they're going to have their best or most guards on Danny, leaving an idiotic teenager to handle that herself. And what does stopping the bomb get them, aside from handing their enemy a superweapon? How about BOTH of them storm the prisoner car, snatch Danny and GTFO of the train? I be Miles doesn't fuck around with the door like an imbecile, AFTER signalling Danny to jump Neville or let Neville Jr get the jump on them.

I have high hopes for this season (and am happy the season will be longer than previous seasons at 16 episodes), and look forward to some bad-assery from Michonne, and hope Laurie Holden's character ends up learning to be bad ass as well.
Please. Her self-entitled whining about her gun last year, and pitching hissy fits over a professional firearms instructor's method of teaching, and getting a clean slate for shooting Daryl, in a completely retarded situation with no excuse other than her desire to beat Rick & everyone else to the kill of the presumptive zombie - all of that had be ready to write her off totally. I am hoping Michonne knocks some sense into her, by example if nothing else.

I do have one question: what the heck was that on the kids gun? I know it was being used as a silencer, but was it a purpose made silencer they found somewhere? It looked really odd.
I think it was supposed to be a jury-rigged silencer, like the 2 liter soda bottle Mark Wahlberg used in shooter. Probably not very realistic, and even silenced firearms still make a lot of noice, more than they showed in this episode. It's just not as deafening and doesn't carry so far.

Oh, and when the hell will Lennie Bruce be returning??? I understand that the character he played in season 1 is supposed to still be alive in the comics, and I am just dying to see him back.
He isn't, but Sophia is. They changed a lot from the comics. In the comics, Shane died well before they got to the farm, and the bite & amputation that happened to Herschel actually happened to Otis (in fact, Herschel had to fix up the botched amputation). Dale, Otis & Patricia all made it to the prison, along with Herschel's son (different name than the kid who died in the RV in the finale - the farm was never overrun in the books), T-Dog, Beth & Daryl aren't in the comic books, Carl is way to young to be lusting after teenage girls, and Sophia survived way past the prison era. I think they met up with Lennie Bruce a ways down the road. But they do a lot of things differently. At this point in the comics, Dale & Andrea were boinking and she was on her way to becoming the group's top sniper, not wandering around all feverish with Michonne.

Lennie rocks!!! Also looking forward to Michael Rooker's return as Merle which I read somewhere is supposed to happen. I'd like to know how that racist ass survived, and if he has evolved as a person yet like his brother Daryl has.
Somehow I doubt it.

Cannoli
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