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Your assessment of the last two books is surprisingly accurate for someone who hasn't read them. Legolas Send a noteboard - 01/12/2013 03:05:59 AM

View original postI only read the first book and never got around to this one, but I thought it could have been just fine as a novella or long short story with some interesting social commentary on how tyrannical states use both war and entertainment to control those they oppress. I thought that actually portraying the Games in as much detail as they did was kind of redundant, but sort of necessary for the target audience to pound home the more subtle nuances of just how this sort of thing is NOT COOL.

That's pretty much it - that first book had a good premise, possibly inspired by Battle Royale even though Collins denies she was familiar with that book or movie, but in any case throwing together some elements which were classic on their own, but original enough when combined, with the post-apocalyptic American setting, the reflections on the Big Brother culture and reality TV, and that Roman element. But the world-building, and much more importantly the fleshing out of the dystopian elements and depth of the ideas... well, having them mostly lacking in the first book was justifiable, the focus was after all just on the Hunger Games. But books two and three fail to deliver on that score as well, and try to make up for it by becoming increasingly extreme to the point that it becomes almost laughable near the end of Mockingjay. In terms of the extreme violence and depressing, nihilistic plot elements, Mockingjay is brutal not only by YA standards but even by adult ones. But in terms of depth and insight, it's weak even by YA standards.
View original postAnd really, from a marketing perspective it makes sense to target a younger or less sophisticated audience, because while higher level readers are still capable of being entertained by, and interested in, stuff below their level, it definitely does not work the other way around.

True enough, though one shouldn't underestimate the understanding of younger readers. Before this explosion of YA literature in the last few decades, they were reading adult novels instead, and perhaps not fully appreciating them yet, but mostly. I think I was 13 or 14 when I read 1984 - if today's generation of kids that age read the Hunger Games trilogy instead, that's a poor trade.
View original postI wrote off a lot of the carping from feminists and others about how Katniss has no real agency in the book, and mostly just lets people do stuff for her, because I figured that was the point. In my understanding of the series and its message, the caprice and randomness of the system was part of its cruelty, that Katniss was not a heroine kicking ass and proving she's the best. Around. No one's gonna bring her down... Anyway, what she really was in my vision of the story, was a victim. The way I read the Hunger Games, it was about a good, hard-working, self-sacrificing young woman going to every length she could to provide for her mother and sister, only to have it ruined by a very long shot chance picking her sister for the games. Katniss wasn't volunteering for a chance to win the Games, she was volunteering to die in her sister's place. From there, the rest of the book, the details of the Games and all the stuff with her costumes and image and faking the romance with Peeta, were all to show how fickle and shallow the reasons by which children lived or died in these horrible things. People complain that she isn't the best, and that she doesn't really beat too many opponents, but I figured that was the point... it's really not about her being a champion but a survivor, as much by a fluke or luck as anything else, that all her not-inconsiderable skills could have still failed to save her at the whim of the audience or the organizers.

A good point, and it does to some extent stay that way throughout the series - it's one of the main elements of the plot, really, the way Katniss becomes a heroine and an icon not because she wants to, but because she is forced to - and the way she is manipulated by all sides for their respective goals.
View original postI thought all that was part of the message or theme of the book. But after seeing Catching Fire, I am wondering if it was merely my lack of perspective on the series as a whole that gave me such an optimistic view of Collins' intentions. Because it seems like they are actually aiming at a story of butt-kicking and action, rather than a dystopian setting that serves as social commentary. And as the critics I prematurely dismissed point out, it is not very good at the former.

I think the series does aim to be dystopian and to serve social commentary. It just doesn't do a good enough job. To some extent it's an issue of pacing and plot structure - when by the end of the second book in your trilogy, the big actual conflict only just begins, and you haven't even found the time to provide some proper worldbuilding in the first two books, it's kind of unavoidable that the result will be a final book with too much plot and still no proper background to set it in. I still think that the first book/movie worked well on most levels, it's this one that fails to do what a middle book in a trilogy should do - move the plot ahead a good deal while simultaneously broadening the scope and setting.

In that sense, the split of Mockingjay into two movies could actually work out quite well, if they take their time in the first one to do what Collins failed to do in the book. Then again, it could be awful as well.

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Your assessment of the last two books is surprisingly accurate for someone who hasn't read them. - 01/12/2013 03:05:59 AM 540 Views

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