Nope, they deserve their bad rap for being Typical Villains of the Week including Gimmicks
RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 29/04/2010 02:48:47 PM
The Forsaken act just how villains in science fiction serials, comic books and video games typically act. That is why they lose.
The major complaint about them is that they pose no direct threat to the protagonists because the author has spent almost thirteen books showing and telling us that the main characters are too important to be destroyed.
This would be a very different series if Moiraine and Lan were destroyed with a wave of Aginor's hand, if Lanfear immediately Shielded Rand and took him away to be brainwashed or if Moghedien Compelled Nynaeve and Elayne, making them her servants.
The Forsaken make very stupid mistakes, because they were not meant to be more than boogeymen. I've found that trying to explain their failures make them look even more stupid - these are people who survived by being extremely cautious and quick to eliminate threats, yet every time they have one of the main characters in their power, they gloat or knock them unconscious.
They don't really serve a purpose beyond being a rogue's gallery that will ultimately be culled and defeated so RJ never really intended for them to have a chance of winning.
The major complaint about them is that they pose no direct threat to the protagonists because the author has spent almost thirteen books showing and telling us that the main characters are too important to be destroyed.
This would be a very different series if Moiraine and Lan were destroyed with a wave of Aginor's hand, if Lanfear immediately Shielded Rand and took him away to be brainwashed or if Moghedien Compelled Nynaeve and Elayne, making them her servants.
The Forsaken make very stupid mistakes, because they were not meant to be more than boogeymen. I've found that trying to explain their failures make them look even more stupid - these are people who survived by being extremely cautious and quick to eliminate threats, yet every time they have one of the main characters in their power, they gloat or knock them unconscious.
They don't really serve a purpose beyond being a rogue's gallery that will ultimately be culled and defeated so RJ never really intended for them to have a chance of winning.
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Alll the incompetent Forsaken talk lately...
- 29/04/2010 07:09:22 AM
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Sammael?
- 29/04/2010 08:07:24 AM
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Sincerest apologies, the post should've been a reply...
- 29/04/2010 06:52:23 PM
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Don't sweat it. It's not like we're overflowing with threads and need to cut down on the clutter. *NM*
- 30/04/2010 01:52:37 AM
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Posting a reply at the bottom of a long thread is a good way for your points to be overlooked. *NM*
- 30/04/2010 01:51:55 AM
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Nope, they deserve their bad rap for being Typical Villains of the Week including Gimmicks
- 29/04/2010 02:48:47 PM
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Re: Nope, they deserve their bad rap for being Typical Villains of the Week including Gimmicks
- 29/04/2010 05:04:56 PM
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Re: Nope, they deserve their bad rap for being Typical Villains of the Week including Gimmicks
- 29/04/2010 06:05:40 PM
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Sorry - vanished-portal-deaths are like "Dead! His car fell in the river; we never found the body.." *NM*
- 29/04/2010 07:28:40 PM
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I was hoping the melting gateway meant they were burned out of existence at first. *NM*
- 29/04/2010 08:10:16 PM
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Jordan didn't care in a 4 book series!
- 29/04/2010 07:24:24 PM
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Name one bit of good nature to any of the AoL lives of the Forsaken.
- 30/04/2010 01:49:53 AM
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What about Demandred?
- 30/04/2010 05:12:55 AM
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D'oh! How come I didn't immediately think of a politician? Seriously?
- 30/04/2010 12:45:35 PM
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What is your argument?
- 30/04/2010 06:12:24 PM
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Indeed
- 01/05/2010 09:35:06 AM
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Except LTT DID do good. You know, saving the world from the Dark One and all. He was good. QED
- 01/05/2010 05:06:31 PM
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and Demandred fought the Shadow for half the war... what's the point?
- 01/05/2010 09:20:00 PM
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You can do good without being good. It's mostly the system's fault (credit? )
- 01/05/2010 11:30:16 PM
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How do you judge people, if not by their actions?
- 02/05/2010 06:29:16 AM
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The WoT does NOT feature a "small set of characters"
- 03/05/2010 12:06:56 AM
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I kinda thought most of those points were in what I already wrote
- 03/05/2010 02:53:04 AM
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Re: Alll the incompetent Forsaken talk lately...
- 30/04/2010 02:44:06 AM
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I agree with a few of your points
- 30/04/2010 07:24:59 AM
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