We've done this so many times. Even I have lost the strength for it. What can I still muster...
Shannow Send a noteboard - 31/05/2010 09:38:24 PM
Moghedien says Nynaeve stands no chance against Rahvin's overwhelming strength. She says this outright.
Graendal says she will never dare face someone directly if he was able to overwhelm Rahvin and Ishamael. Not just Ishamael, but Rahvin too. And Rahvin is not even as strong as Ishamael.
These two quotes indicate that there is a significant gap between the average female Forsaken and the male Forsaken.
And yet Lanfear is supposedly able to stand against the top male Forsaken.
This indicates that there is a significant gap between Lanfear and the other female Forsaken.
This is reinforced by the fact that Cyndane is weaker than Lanfear, but still stronger than Graendal.
Now, whether Nynaeve is at 75% or 85% of Lanfear's strength cannot be said for sure, but since Graendal is likely one of the 6 women stronger than Nynaeve, and Graendal is weaker than Cyndane, who is weaker than Lanfear, that makes it clear that there is a significant gap between Nynaeve and Lanfear.
As for Egwene and Elayne: They were both further advanced in their development in tSR than Rand was in his development, and yet he manhandled them both together with ridiculous ease.
I am happy to concede that both of them would still have grown in strength after that, and significantly so, but so would he.
In fact, both of them could already control the Power far better than he could, comparatively speaking, at that point in time.
I have no doubt that the strength comparison between Rand and the two girls remained in pretty much the same proportion for the rest of the series, as all three of them grew in Power.
In fact, Rand may well have overtaken them even further as he leaped ahead in strength the way men do when they channel a lot.
Bottomline: Rand is double Egwene's strength at least. And that means Lanfear is close to double her strength as well.
Of course, you deny direct quotes such as the one from Egwene herself where she says she would be helpless against even Moghedien, whereas Nynaeve would be able to match Moghedien.
This despite Egwene being more skilled than Nynaeve. This is the clearest possible indication that Nynaeve is significantly stronger than Egwene. And this while Nynaeve is only at Moghedien's strength, not even her full strength yet, which will significantly exceed Moghedien eventually.
Graendal says she will never dare face someone directly if he was able to overwhelm Rahvin and Ishamael. Not just Ishamael, but Rahvin too. And Rahvin is not even as strong as Ishamael.
These two quotes indicate that there is a significant gap between the average female Forsaken and the male Forsaken.
And yet Lanfear is supposedly able to stand against the top male Forsaken.
This indicates that there is a significant gap between Lanfear and the other female Forsaken.
This is reinforced by the fact that Cyndane is weaker than Lanfear, but still stronger than Graendal.
Now, whether Nynaeve is at 75% or 85% of Lanfear's strength cannot be said for sure, but since Graendal is likely one of the 6 women stronger than Nynaeve, and Graendal is weaker than Cyndane, who is weaker than Lanfear, that makes it clear that there is a significant gap between Nynaeve and Lanfear.
As for Egwene and Elayne: They were both further advanced in their development in tSR than Rand was in his development, and yet he manhandled them both together with ridiculous ease.
I am happy to concede that both of them would still have grown in strength after that, and significantly so, but so would he.
In fact, both of them could already control the Power far better than he could, comparatively speaking, at that point in time.
I have no doubt that the strength comparison between Rand and the two girls remained in pretty much the same proportion for the rest of the series, as all three of them grew in Power.
In fact, Rand may well have overtaken them even further as he leaped ahead in strength the way men do when they channel a lot.
Bottomline: Rand is double Egwene's strength at least. And that means Lanfear is close to double her strength as well.
Of course, you deny direct quotes such as the one from Egwene herself where she says she would be helpless against even Moghedien, whereas Nynaeve would be able to match Moghedien.
This despite Egwene being more skilled than Nynaeve. This is the clearest possible indication that Nynaeve is significantly stronger than Egwene. And this while Nynaeve is only at Moghedien's strength, not even her full strength yet, which will significantly exceed Moghedien eventually.
Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 02:17:06 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 04:18:08 PM
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I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl.
- 31/05/2010 07:51:08 PM
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Egwene plus Aviendha roughly equal Lanfaer. And yet Lanfear isn't close to double Nynaeve's strength
- 31/05/2010 09:07:06 PM
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Egwene and Aviendha combined in TFoH (when Avi had been channeling for only a few months)
- 31/05/2010 09:22:17 PM
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We've done this so many times. Even I have lost the strength for it. What can I still muster...
- 31/05/2010 09:38:24 PM
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again with the interpretive quoting
- 31/05/2010 11:05:58 PM
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Individual interpretation is all we've got really
- 01/06/2010 06:32:05 PM
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- 01/06/2010 06:32:05 PM
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agreed, sort of
- 04/06/2010 12:57:00 PM
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- 04/06/2010 12:57:00 PM
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Consider this...
- 04/06/2010 01:21:43 PM
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You continue to translate things. That is NOT how the quote reads
- 04/06/2010 01:30:43 PM
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Not my fault if the books prove you wrong
- 04/06/2010 01:41:00 PM
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I'm denying that you have a clue
- 04/06/2010 01:51:14 PM
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Bonfire next to a candle. I rest my case.
- 04/06/2010 01:53:59 PM
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then Nynaeve is the Creator
- 04/06/2010 02:03:27 PM
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Estimating potential is exact, fragmentary historical notes are not. And RJ disproves your point..
- 04/06/2010 02:57:32 PM
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The books disagree with this
- 04/06/2010 03:24:46 PM
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Right, NOW we're getting somewhere...
- 04/06/2010 03:57:32 PM
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You are hilarious
- 04/06/2010 04:06:37 PM
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Close the door on your way out...
- 04/06/2010 04:21:11 PM
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no I just refuse to bother with a jackass who doesn't know the text well enough to debate *NM*
- 04/06/2010 10:35:09 PM
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Re: agreed, sort of
- 04/06/2010 04:46:59 PM
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- 04/06/2010 04:46:59 PM
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this doesn't square in any way with Bell Curve though
- 04/06/2010 10:33:04 PM
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No, Rand was not stronger than the male Forsaken at the start of tSR...
- 01/06/2010 09:27:47 AM
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Aginor burned out attempting to use the Eye, which Rand managed to do without burning out *NM*
- 01/06/2010 12:06:01 PM
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The Eye was just a source of the Power - like a well, just bigger.
- 01/06/2010 12:17:29 PM
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nope
- 01/06/2010 12:52:46 PM
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Re: I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl.
- 01/06/2010 02:18:38 AM
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I'm not trying to say that Nynaeve isn't significantly stronger
- 01/06/2010 12:44:20 PM
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If 3 sisters can hold you, it probaly means you are as strong as 4 sisters...
- 01/06/2010 06:37:01 PM
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Re: I'm not trying to say that Nynaeve isn't significantly stronger
- 01/06/2010 06:43:08 PM
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Sidenote: What's with Elayne dumping people into the river?
- 31/05/2010 06:22:26 PM
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Not Elayne, Egwene in Cairhien. She went to meet the Windfinder and got kicked out. Wasn't awesome *NM*
- 31/05/2010 07:13:25 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 07:21:32 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 07:41:02 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 01/06/2010 06:07:35 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 01/06/2010 06:21:29 PM
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Remember gatways
- 31/05/2010 09:15:31 PM
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I agree that it's probably some kind of max height you can lift an object
- 31/05/2010 09:25:25 PM
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I think lifting people on flows of air is much like weaving bridges.
- 01/06/2010 07:42:59 AM
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I'm pretty convinced that 'strength' really refers to your skill and experience.
- 01/06/2010 08:35:16 PM
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Strength is a touchy word in this case...
- 03/06/2010 07:31:19 AM
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