Ishamael matched Lews Therin in strength, and Aginor was just a tiny bit weaker than both of them.
And yet, by the END of book 4, Rand only matches Asmodean in strength. Asmodean was the weakest of the male Forsaken.
And during Book 5, Rand still says that he is growing STRONGER as a result of Asmodean's teachings.
Now, if he already matched Ishamael and Aginor in Book 1, how could he still be growing stronger 5 books later? Because then he was already as strong as Lews Therin back in Book 1.
It is obvious that the scene at the end of Eye of the World was written before the One Power system was fully fleshed out.
We know that male strength increases in jumps rather than gradually. And this is influenced by how often they channel the Power.
Now, Rand only really starts channeling regularly in Book 4. In fact, at the beginning of Book 4, he can't even hold onto the Power every time he tries to reach for it.
It is clear that he is still growing in strength well beyond Book 5. In Book 6 he mentions Lews Therin's voice was becoming clearer the stronger he grew in the Power.
In that case, he must have been increasing in Power right up to Book 12, where Lews Therin became one with him.
In any case, what is undeniable, is that Rand is still growing in strength long after Book 1. In fact, in Book 7, he says Dashiva is holding almost as much of the Power as he is. That's seven Books after the scene at the Eye.
So either the scene at the Eye is being misconstrued, or all references to Rand growing in strength after that point are false.
And yet, by the END of book 4, Rand only matches Asmodean in strength. Asmodean was the weakest of the male Forsaken.
And during Book 5, Rand still says that he is growing STRONGER as a result of Asmodean's teachings.
Now, if he already matched Ishamael and Aginor in Book 1, how could he still be growing stronger 5 books later? Because then he was already as strong as Lews Therin back in Book 1.
It is obvious that the scene at the end of Eye of the World was written before the One Power system was fully fleshed out.
We know that male strength increases in jumps rather than gradually. And this is influenced by how often they channel the Power.
Now, Rand only really starts channeling regularly in Book 4. In fact, at the beginning of Book 4, he can't even hold onto the Power every time he tries to reach for it.
It is clear that he is still growing in strength well beyond Book 5. In Book 6 he mentions Lews Therin's voice was becoming clearer the stronger he grew in the Power.
In that case, he must have been increasing in Power right up to Book 12, where Lews Therin became one with him.
In any case, what is undeniable, is that Rand is still growing in strength long after Book 1. In fact, in Book 7, he says Dashiva is holding almost as much of the Power as he is. That's seven Books after the scene at the Eye.
So either the scene at the Eye is being misconstrued, or all references to Rand growing in strength after that point are false.
Rand is clearly growing still as he comments on it, but it's also irrefutable that he matches Aginor/Ishy early in the series... in any case, it's obvious that by the time he manhandles Egwene/Elayne he's already as strong as the male Forsaken, probably upwards of 85% of his potential, while neither of the girls is even close to that yet.
Here's a quote illustrating where Egwene and Elayne are:
TSR
Playing with Fire
"Look at me," she said, embracing saidar. She let the Power fill her as completely as it ever had, more completely, accepting every drop she could hold; it was as if light suffused every particle of her, as if the Light itself filled every cranny. Life seemed to burst inside her like fireworks. She had never before let this much in. It was a shock to realize she was not quivering; surely she could not bear this glorious sweetness. She wanted to revel in it, to dance and sing, to simply lie back and let it roll through her, over her. She made herself speak. "What do you see? What do you feel? Look at me, Rand!"
He lifted his head slowly, still frowning. "I see you. What am I supposed to see? Are you touching the Source? Egwene, Moiraine has channeled around me a hundred times, and I never saw anything. Except what she did. It doesn't work that way. Even I know that much."
"I am stronger than Moiraine," she told him firmly. "She would be whimpering on the floor, or insensible, if she tried to hold as much as I hold now." It was true, though she had never before rated the Aes Sedai's ability so closely.
Consider that Egwene tells Rand that the amount of saidar she is holding in the scene would make Moiraine insensible. This is a telling comment as Egwene is nearly 2x as strong as Moiraine in potential, yet she is clearly not holding anywhere close to her max (potential) since that would utterly destroy Moiraine. So perhaps Egwene is at 60-65% of her potential at this point? Elayne is a little less advanced as we all know from later quotes, so what 50-55% of her potential?
If Rand was at 85% they would be something like 75% of him combined at this point in the series! When all three are at full potential the two girls could probably match him linked.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 02:17:06 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 04:18:08 PM
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I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl.
- 31/05/2010 07:51:08 PM
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Egwene plus Aviendha roughly equal Lanfaer. And yet Lanfear isn't close to double Nynaeve's strength
- 31/05/2010 09:07:06 PM
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Egwene and Aviendha combined in TFoH (when Avi had been channeling for only a few months)
- 31/05/2010 09:22:17 PM
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We've done this so many times. Even I have lost the strength for it. What can I still muster...
- 31/05/2010 09:38:24 PM
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again with the interpretive quoting
- 31/05/2010 11:05:58 PM
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Individual interpretation is all we've got really
- 01/06/2010 06:32:05 PM
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- 01/06/2010 06:32:05 PM
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agreed, sort of
- 04/06/2010 12:57:00 PM
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- 04/06/2010 12:57:00 PM
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Consider this...
- 04/06/2010 01:21:43 PM
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You continue to translate things. That is NOT how the quote reads
- 04/06/2010 01:30:43 PM
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Not my fault if the books prove you wrong
- 04/06/2010 01:41:00 PM
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I'm denying that you have a clue
- 04/06/2010 01:51:14 PM
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Bonfire next to a candle. I rest my case.
- 04/06/2010 01:53:59 PM
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then Nynaeve is the Creator
- 04/06/2010 02:03:27 PM
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Estimating potential is exact, fragmentary historical notes are not. And RJ disproves your point..
- 04/06/2010 02:57:32 PM
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The books disagree with this
- 04/06/2010 03:24:46 PM
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Right, NOW we're getting somewhere...
- 04/06/2010 03:57:32 PM
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You are hilarious
- 04/06/2010 04:06:37 PM
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Close the door on your way out...
- 04/06/2010 04:21:11 PM
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no I just refuse to bother with a jackass who doesn't know the text well enough to debate *NM*
- 04/06/2010 10:35:09 PM
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Re: agreed, sort of
- 04/06/2010 04:46:59 PM
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- 04/06/2010 04:46:59 PM
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this doesn't square in any way with Bell Curve though
- 04/06/2010 10:33:04 PM
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No, Rand was not stronger than the male Forsaken at the start of tSR...
- 01/06/2010 09:27:47 AM
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Aginor burned out attempting to use the Eye, which Rand managed to do without burning out *NM*
- 01/06/2010 12:06:01 PM
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The Eye was just a source of the Power - like a well, just bigger.
- 01/06/2010 12:17:29 PM
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nope
- 01/06/2010 12:52:46 PM
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You know that is not correct...
- 01/06/2010 01:30:35 PM
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right or wrong it's in the text!
- 01/06/2010 01:47:35 PM
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Re: I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl.
- 01/06/2010 02:18:38 AM
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I'm not trying to say that Nynaeve isn't significantly stronger
- 01/06/2010 12:44:20 PM
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If 3 sisters can hold you, it probaly means you are as strong as 4 sisters...
- 01/06/2010 06:37:01 PM
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Re: I'm not trying to say that Nynaeve isn't significantly stronger
- 01/06/2010 06:43:08 PM
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Sidenote: What's with Elayne dumping people into the river?
- 31/05/2010 06:22:26 PM
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Not Elayne, Egwene in Cairhien. She went to meet the Windfinder and got kicked out. Wasn't awesome *NM*
- 31/05/2010 07:13:25 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 07:21:32 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 31/05/2010 07:41:02 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 01/06/2010 06:07:35 PM
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Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha
- 01/06/2010 06:21:29 PM
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Remember gatways
- 31/05/2010 09:15:31 PM
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I agree that it's probably some kind of max height you can lift an object
- 31/05/2010 09:25:25 PM
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I think lifting people on flows of air is much like weaving bridges.
- 01/06/2010 07:42:59 AM
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I'm pretty convinced that 'strength' really refers to your skill and experience.
- 01/06/2010 08:35:16 PM
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Strength is a touchy word in this case...
- 03/06/2010 07:31:19 AM
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