Re: Is there anyone who *doesn't* think Galad can channel?
DomA Send a noteboard - 05/06/2010 03:17:56 AM
Galad's most likely too old to be a sparker.
The "oneness" is not only a trick to embrace the Source, it's a state of mind used and taught by blademasters and other martial arts practitioners (it also exists for real, btw). Tam taught it to Rand. Lan uses it too. So does Galad who was taught it by Bryne etc. Nothing in the scene you quote suggests Galad was embracing the Source. He achieved the Oneness, that's all, and as Rand also does to embrace the source, this is where the similar description of the state of mind came from.
Gawyn has much better odds of being able to learn to channel. I don't remember for sure how the genetics of channelling works, though. I think at least one of the parents must have the dominant gene, but I'm not sure.
Gawyn seems to have better odds, as his mother and father have produced another child who can channel. As for Tigraine, she couldn't even learn to channel (she's Tower trained, remember. If she could channel, the AS would have found out), so it's fairly obvious Rand owes his ability to Wise Ones or latent male learners (or both) in Janduin's near ancestry. Janduin could very well have been the son of a Wise One and have been a potential learner, for all we know.
As for Taringail, it's hazy at best, since his mother wasn't even Moiraine's. There's no one we know in the Cairhienin royal line but Moiraine who can channel - everybody else would at best be latent learners, so it's quite possible she got her ability from her mother's side (who was an odd match for a high ranking Cairhienin noble like Moiraine's father, IRRC).
I guess there's a fair chance that it comes down to:
Morgase (channeller) + Taringail (?): can produce a channeler
Janduin (? - but forcibly has channellers in his near ancestry) + Tigraine (proven non channeller): can produce a channeler
Tigraine + Taringail: can't produce together a channeller.
But someone who remembers the genetics of channelling as Jordan explained it will be able to tell you better.
The "oneness" is not only a trick to embrace the Source, it's a state of mind used and taught by blademasters and other martial arts practitioners (it also exists for real, btw). Tam taught it to Rand. Lan uses it too. So does Galad who was taught it by Bryne etc. Nothing in the scene you quote suggests Galad was embracing the Source. He achieved the Oneness, that's all, and as Rand also does to embrace the source, this is where the similar description of the state of mind came from.
Gawyn has much better odds of being able to learn to channel. I don't remember for sure how the genetics of channelling works, though. I think at least one of the parents must have the dominant gene, but I'm not sure.
Gawyn seems to have better odds, as his mother and father have produced another child who can channel. As for Tigraine, she couldn't even learn to channel (she's Tower trained, remember. If she could channel, the AS would have found out), so it's fairly obvious Rand owes his ability to Wise Ones or latent male learners (or both) in Janduin's near ancestry. Janduin could very well have been the son of a Wise One and have been a potential learner, for all we know.
As for Taringail, it's hazy at best, since his mother wasn't even Moiraine's. There's no one we know in the Cairhienin royal line but Moiraine who can channel - everybody else would at best be latent learners, so it's quite possible she got her ability from her mother's side (who was an odd match for a high ranking Cairhienin noble like Moiraine's father, IRRC).
I guess there's a fair chance that it comes down to:
Morgase (channeller) + Taringail (?): can produce a channeler
Janduin (? - but forcibly has channellers in his near ancestry) + Tigraine (proven non channeller): can produce a channeler
Tigraine + Taringail: can't produce together a channeller.
But someone who remembers the genetics of channelling as Jordan explained it will be able to tell you better.
This message last edited by DomA on 05/06/2010 at 03:23:53 AM
Is there anyone who *doesn't* think Galad can channel?
- 05/06/2010 02:36:20 AM
1682 Views
It is just describing what a person goes through in a heightened sensory mode. He can't channel. *NM*
- 05/06/2010 02:49:39 AM
457 Views
Re: Is there anyone who *doesn't* think Galad can channel?
- 05/06/2010 03:17:56 AM
1023 Views
He cannot. This passage is similar to one in New Spring
- 05/06/2010 03:36:19 AM
825 Views
uh, me. and thousands of others. it's called the void, which tam can do. *NM*
- 05/06/2010 07:09:52 AM
351 Views
Wait?? Tam must have some channeling genes since Rand is his son.... *NM*
- 05/06/2010 06:21:40 PM
346 Views
On the fence
- 05/06/2010 12:44:45 PM
774 Views
Re: On the fence
- 06/06/2010 02:22:35 AM
737 Views
Re: On the fence
- 06/06/2010 03:27:54 AM
595 Views
They still see channelers as Dark Friends.
- 10/06/2010 03:51:44 PM
777 Views
More likely they'd do what the Seanchan would when/if Tuon Channels
- 13/06/2010 12:21:12 PM
793 Views
As you pointed out
- 13/06/2010 02:08:34 PM
779 Views
Only for the short term
- 13/06/2010 02:48:54 PM
797 Views
Perhaps. Perhaps not. Nothing is completely static.
- 13/06/2010 05:41:59 PM
913 Views
right, cause in a few months they are going to change more tahn 1000 years of doctrine *NM*
- 13/06/2010 10:32:56 PM
404 Views
Yes. Exactly. In three days two Aiel clans ended a blood feud.
- 14/06/2010 03:14:42 AM
918 Views
None of these situations is really the same
- 14/06/2010 03:18:59 PM
811 Views
Re: None of these situations is really the same
- 14/06/2010 03:38:42 PM
779 Views
I think you are overstating the situations below
- 14/06/2010 06:02:12 PM
743 Views
Nonesense. The Sul'Dam hadn't started channeling.
- 14/06/2010 07:26:12 PM
841 Views
The sul'dam who have realized what they are know it's just a matter of time
- 14/06/2010 07:50:52 PM
884 Views
As sul'Dam they need to be taught to channel.
- 14/06/2010 10:38:33 PM
755 Views
hello, Seta and Bethamin took the leap on their own. sul'dam are right at the edge
- 15/06/2010 01:48:25 AM
1326 Views
