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Re: As you said... DomA Send a noteboard - 10/06/2010 08:32:12 PM
I seriously doubt that we will see Graendal again in the series (Rand's plotline was sufficiently advanced in TGS), or that the new association between Aran'gar & Graendal will play an important plot role (except that Aran'gar might take over Graendal's network now and maybe needs to find a new ally).


To take over Graendal's network, Aran'gar needed this alliance with Graendal to find out how to gain her network. Again, this suggests one Graendal/Aran'gar scene to set this up.

You really tend to overlook the fact that for everyone not in Rand\Egwene's storyline, there's a good chance we're going back to a short while after KOD ended.


Especially the talk between Aran'gar and Mesaana in KoD made IMO pretty clear that of course Aran'gar was behind the murder of Anaiya & Kairen to create more dissension.


I don't see the logic there. Aran'gar could have killed anyone to sow more dissension... it was utterly stupid to kill just Kairen and Anayia, the two women tied to Cabriana. Even if she had a reason to get them out of the way beside creating dissension and fear of the Asha'man alliance, she would not have been so stupid as to kill these two only. It even looks like Lelaine and the Blue had made the connection before Romanda did, but didn't know what to make of it.

In any case, if Aran'gar killed these two and left traces as she did (unlike what's she's done with the maids), it was obviously to make the Asha'man alliance derail, and if so that leaves us with the big question of which Forsaken ordered Moria, a BA, to come up with this plan in the first place. Who can it be but Mesaana, really?

Who screamed at Aran'gar she must sow more dissension among the rebels if not Mesaana herself anyway. You also overlook the fact this is the first time Mesaana revealed openly she was tied to the Aes Sedai. Aran'gar didn't miss that, and thought immediately how wonderful it would be to find an oppportunity to split the trio.

I also don't buy that Graendal would know, who Mesaana is


She says herself she knows her disguise in the Tower in TGS...

Now, ask yourself why Jordan put that in the prologue...
This message last edited by DomA on 10/06/2010 at 08:37:50 PM
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That is obvious, but... Etzel - 09/06/2010 08:25:16 PM 241 Views
Re: That is obvious, but... DomA - 10/06/2010 05:13:50 PM 384 Views
More thoughts in defense of this idea newyorkersedai - 09/06/2010 10:30:14 PM 265 Views
I think Aran'gar rather planned... Etzel - 10/06/2010 08:37:35 AM 294 Views
Re: More thoughts in defense of this idea darius_sedai - 10/06/2010 01:26:54 PM 290 Views
Aran'gar certainly isn't Taim Etzel - 10/06/2010 02:15:40 PM 267 Views
It's not my theory... I do think it would be hilarious though darius_sedai - 10/06/2010 02:44:57 PM 275 Views
Implausible newyorkersedai - 10/06/2010 02:50:51 PM 263 Views
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Personally I think RJ was full of sh*t with that comment darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 01:20:25 PM 266 Views
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Exactly! darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 01:02:53 PM 253 Views
Re: I still think yet another clue speaks loudly that Taim is a real Forsaken DomA - 10/06/2010 07:58:42 PM 328 Views
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Re: Implausible DomA - 10/06/2010 06:44:01 PM 295 Views
Mesaana's more likely. There just isn't enough time for it to be the Seanchan, imo *NM* Deadsy - 08/06/2010 08:31:07 PM 124 Views
On the other hand, we know that Egwene has to meet Seanchan yet. *NM* Etzel - 09/06/2010 10:51:37 AM 124 Views
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Ya, I could see that *NM* Deadsy - 09/06/2010 09:50:58 PM 109 Views
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Re: And they were Cabriana's best friends. Aran'gar killed them to cover her tracks DomA - 10/06/2010 11:02:36 PM 313 Views
I don't think Aran'gar is all that bright honestly... and we got a hint from the books too darius_sedai - 11/06/2010 02:29:22 AM 263 Views
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we're going to have to agree to disagree here darius_sedai - 12/06/2010 01:07:56 PM 257 Views
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