If you even agree it's unnecessary to show Graendal on-screen again some time before her death
It is rather a good example of how good you are at intepreting what people say to make them say what you want instead of what they meant....
As I told you, what's the difference between having a POV of Aran'gar remembering a meeting with Graendal or showing this meeting?
Plotwise it's exactly the same thing! It's strictly a story telling choice, and a meeting on screen is tempting because it's more interesting to read and a rule of writing fiction is to show whn you can instead of telling the reader what happened, and based on the example of several of your theories that turned out completely wrong (notably your notion that Tuon would be totally turned over just by learning she had a Forsaken with her, and worse, that Rand would send her to save the Tower!), you're not very good at figuring out storytelling, resulting in theories that make no sense as they would ruin all the build-ups for the third act.(your notion that Fain is irrelevant and will be killed early by Slayer and DH is another example of your misundestanding of storytelling).
As said, the idea to bring back a dead character that way in the next book is simply completely absurd, because it never happened before and it's unnecessary, since Aran'gar can simply think about something Graendal said to
You admitted the point I was trying to make all along: it's perfectly credible that the alliance between Graendal and Aran'gar is still relevant and Aran'gar and her met off-screen during the timeline of TGS.
It doesn't matter to me if this happens on-screen in TOM or through an Aran'gar POV, the bottomline is still that Aran'gar would get information/agents Graendal has now and Aran'gar didn't have by KOD....
The odds it happens on screen are still 50/50. Remember this, and don't come in a few months claiming I said there had to be a Graendal scene in TOM.
As said, the difference is that it would actually fit in the way the series is written, if Aran'gar just thinks about such a meeting in her PoV (and "mentions Graendal's name" then). But it's pretty absurd to believe that Graendal might reappear in a scene before her death, since she died in her timeline and it doesn't make sense to jump back in a particular timeline, which was sufficiently progressed.
I think it's made clear in the book that it was pure chance that Romanda figured it out.
You're hopeless.
Beonin, Ashmanaille and Phaedrine discussed this too, and their reasoning was based on logic and intuition. It was very obvious Anaiyia and Kairen were not random victims. They were looking for the link between them.
And didn't find it.
maybe Moria acted on her own, or was ordered by Alviarin or a Forsaken.
A BA would suggest an alliance with the BT "against the Forsaken" on her own? Come on! Of course a Forsaken put her up to this!
For the rest, what difference does it make if Alviarin passed Mesaana's orders or Mesaana or another Forsaken gave them to her? It's still the Shadow, and it sure ain't Aran'gar. Strange that Moridin would do this without warning Aran'gar, and he has no reason to undermine her position. Who does that leave but Graendal (unlikely) or someone in the trio?
The point is, that it doesn't make sense that Aran'gar will "seek to get revenge" against Mesaana
I remember you saying it made no sense that Tuon would refuse Rand's truce either.
Not much that is reasonable ever seem to make much sense to you.
Ok, if we discuss old ideas, one could also cite your crazy idea that Lelaine is a super evil person and torturing Sheriam...
I think this argument about old ideas, which proved to be wrong, is leading nowhere, because no one is always correct.
Well, also Alviarin, Verin and Egwene are convinced that she is an AS, but don't know the exact identity. Graendal could have interrogated Verin,
Pretty much what I said, but it doesn't exclude the other obvious possibility either: Graendal managed to find out. She knows Mesaana well, and finds her obvious and easy to read. It's far from impossible she figured out who Mesaana is in the Tower.
It's pretty unlikely, though.
And of course, it your mind it's all just idle curiosity...
Why does she wants to know? Because she seeks to undermine her rivals and end up on top.
Even in TGS Moridin presents to Graendal the fact she's given glimpses of the trio's plans, and is present to see them weakened as a reward....
Yeah, but like many Forsaken plots this became meaningless, because they died.
Irrelevant to anything I've said. What does it matter if Aran'gar meet at Graendal's lair or at another pre-arranged place? You imagine even Semirhage/Demandred/Mesaana are allied out of more than pure self-interest?
It shows that your notion that they are working together that closely is wrong. Probably they just meet for a talk every few weeks.
In TGS Graendal was obviously focused on Moridin's orders, which she got in the prologue.
Read the damn books. There's tons of reflections about the trio and "their bid for control of the Chosen" (her own words), and how Semirhage's capture has undermined this, and how she had puzzled out Semirhage's plans recently, and how Mesaana was obvious and easy to read, how useful her alliance with Aran'gar who is among the rebels is proving to be, and how she would very very much love to know what Demandred is up to.
You're blind if you can't see how interested in the trio's plans Graendal has always been, and perfectly aware that they seek to end up above her, and she has no intention of letting that happen. It goes way back to LOC.
You're blind if you can't see Graendal would bring them down if she could, and so would Aran'gar. They both referred to this before, actually.
See above.
Again, that was before Aran'gar left the Rebels.
You keep repeating this as it there was some meaning to that comment. In KOD, Aran'gar already considered the revelation Mesaana was in the Tower could be taken advantage of. Why would her depature change anything to that, whether she thinks Mesaana is behind her fall or not. It becomes even more interesting for her to eliminate her rivals now that she's lost her own position.
Because she is most likely focussed on another task by SH/Moridin now (maybe joining Perrin's group), not spending all the time on planning her big revenge on Mesaana.
Egwene's future
- 08/06/2010 10:10:28 AM
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I've wondered if Egwene is "The Andoran Candidate"
- 08/06/2010 04:07:18 PM
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I rather think Aran'gar was a failure...
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Finally found a quote to redeem the Forsaken a bit
- 09/06/2010 03:53:37 PM
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Yeah, it's a bit strange...
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Re: Yeah, it's a bit strange...
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More thoughts in defense of this idea
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- 10/06/2010 01:26:54 PM
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Aran'gar certainly isn't Taim
- 10/06/2010 02:15:40 PM
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Implausible
- 10/06/2010 02:50:51 PM
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I mean...
- 10/06/2010 03:20:41 PM
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I still think yet another clue speaks loudly that Taim is a real Forsaken
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RJ explained Taim's look at the beginning of LoC
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Re: I still think yet another clue speaks loudly that Taim is a real Forsaken
- 10/06/2010 07:58:42 PM
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Mesaana's more likely. There just isn't enough time for it to be the Seanchan, imo *NM*
- 08/06/2010 08:31:07 PM
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On the other hand, we know that Egwene has to meet Seanchan yet. *NM*
- 09/06/2010 10:51:37 AM
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In book time, she'll probably be seeing Seta (and possibly Egeanin) in a couple hours
- 09/06/2010 11:09:08 AM
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They are in Caemlyn now...
- 09/06/2010 11:45:02 AM
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I didn't say it was important
- 09/06/2010 11:56:44 AM
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I mean...
- 09/06/2010 02:54:33 PM
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not going to happen 
- 09/06/2010 09:10:16 PM
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Egwene's dreams are symbolic
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Some are more literal, while some are more symbolic
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Re: Some are more literal, while some are more symbolic
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As you said...
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Re: As you said...
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And they were Cabriana's best friends. Aran'gar killed them to cover her tracks
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Re: And they were Cabriana's best friends. Aran'gar killed them to cover her tracks
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I don't think Aran'gar is all that bright honestly... and we got a hint from the books too
- 11/06/2010 02:29:22 AM
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Re: I don't think Aran'gar is all that bright honestly... and we got a hint from the books too
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Re: I don't think Aran'gar is all that bright honestly... and we got a hint from the books too
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Re: I don't think Aran'gar is all that bright honestly... and we got a hint from the books too
- 11/06/2010 03:33:05 PM
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Found another relevant quote - Arangar wouldn't've needed Graendal's contacts in the AoL
- 11/06/2010 02:42:02 PM
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Re: As you said...
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Re: As you said...
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Re: As you said...
- 10/06/2010 11:40:52 PM
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So...
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Re: So...
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Well
- 13/06/2010 10:58:04 AM
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Nesta was impaled on a stake and her head put on a spike for rebellion
- 10/06/2010 01:44:53 PM
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