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And that's why they're crappy villains orius Send a noteboard - 19/07/2010 07:24:05 AM
RJ himself has done everything short of breaking the fourth wall in the books to make them seem lame and pathetic, and why? Because they ARE! These are the people who were malcontented and unsuccessful in a utopia where all human needs were met, and humanity reached their highest levels of material prosperity and intellectual development. Short of actual paradise, this was the high point in the history of the world and they still weren't happy. Sanderson finally came right out and had an expository dialogue explicitly compare them to children squabbling for daddy's attention, and selfishness as their common denominator and primary qualification! These are petty, spoiled whiners with entitlement complexes and low self-esteem. Why the hell are people STILL expecting big things from them?


Exactly. They're people who were selfish or seriously screwed up to begin with in a society that was paradise. Semirhage? Pissy that the AS didn't like her self-indulgence in arbitrary torture. Mesaana? Pissy that she was too stupid to do research with the real luminaries of her age. Lanfear? Pissy that she got dumped for another woman. Demandred? Pissy that LTT was better at everything. And so on. They're only seen as great evils I think because the people of the AoL weren't used to cruelty and suffering and the the end of the AoL was a very rude awakening for them. I think their evil is hyped up a bit. They're also too arrogant for their own good, thinking that the "savages" of this age can't do anything to them.

If some readers don't wrap their heads around the themes and point of the story fast, they are going to be mighty disappointed a year or two from now by aMoL.


Cannoli's bluntness is refreshing, as usual.
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RJ finally got a villain right, then killed him in the same book. Narg - 15/07/2010 10:10:16 PM 1303 Views
Re: RJ finally got a villain right, then killed him in the same book. scooter - 16/07/2010 03:01:30 AM 757 Views
Ehhh that's a cop-out. And not even totally accurate. beetnemesis - 16/07/2010 08:27:19 AM 599 Views
My view exactly. Shannow - 16/07/2010 08:42:47 AM 606 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 09:33:59 AM 189 Views
Yes, basically. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/07/2010 01:36:13 PM 534 Views
The Forsaken are not THE villain(s), they are cannon fodder! Cannoli - 19/07/2010 04:16:04 AM 655 Views
And that's why they're crappy villains orius - 19/07/2010 07:24:05 AM 455 Views
Cannoli misses the point. The Forsaken are all villains. It is the Dark One that is the true evil RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/07/2010 04:01:34 PM 552 Views
The Forsaken are henchmen. Like the eels in The Little Mermaid or the hyenas in The Lion King Cannoli - 20/07/2010 03:14:37 AM 558 Views
Absolutely correct, but you miss the point. Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 02:48:22 PM 437 Views
Exactly. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 04:08:22 PM 389 Views
My point is simply that you are mistaking their place in the hierarchy Cannoli - 20/07/2010 11:46:52 PM 493 Views
No, I'm not. And you just proved that you missed the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/07/2010 03:10:04 PM 414 Views
No Sidious - 19/07/2010 08:01:03 PM 466 Views
I'll call your "no" and raise you a "WTH?" Nameless Ashaman - 19/07/2010 08:44:19 PM 438 Views
I'll raise your WTH and give you a WTF Sidious - 19/07/2010 09:24:04 PM 508 Views
Re: I'll raise your WTH and give you a WTF Cannoli - 20/07/2010 02:44:22 AM 554 Views
The Dark One is the threat. He is the enemy from whom the world needs saving, NOT the Forsaken Cannoli - 20/07/2010 02:35:48 AM 549 Views
Amen and Amen scooter - 21/07/2010 03:40:11 AM 517 Views
Re: The Dark One is the threat. He is the enemy from whom the world needs saving, NOT the Forsaken Sidious - 21/07/2010 05:29:51 AM 476 Views
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