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Re: The Dark One is the threat. He is the enemy from whom the world needs saving, NOT the Forsaken Sidious Send a noteboard - 21/07/2010 05:29:51 AM
Just because of their roles relative to one another make them natural adversaries does not undo the fact that the main villain/threat of WoT is the Dark One.

Yes he is, but he's so abstract he might as well not be.

That's like claiming Sauron is not the villain of LotR because none of the good guys can match him in power.

Or like claiming that it's actually between the Elves and Morgoth because they spend so much time fighting him, when in actual fact it's the Valar vs Morgoth.

And the Creator and the Dark One are not adversaries. They were once, but the Creator moved on, and left his world to fight the Dark One by themselves.

What proof do you have of this? This is philosophy that not even Rand is sure about. It's just as likely that the Dark One and the Creator have an ancient agreement to use proxies to see who controls the Wheel. It's not like the DO sends SH after Rand... he sends his evil pawns.

Watch me. And watch Sanderson & Jordan do it.

Rand is like the warden to a prison who puts away a notorious mobster. Doesn't make him the Chief of Police, even though the story is about the warden.

The Creator is out of the picture, and no one cares about stopping the Forsaken. Rand only fights the Forsaken because they come between him and the Dark One.

And yet Rand primarily goes after the Forsaken in each book. Even as recently as TGS when he arrives in Arad Doman he says 'Graendal is here'. TG is a vague battle that he's preparing for unwittingly, even though he's essential to its victory.
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RJ finally got a villain right, then killed him in the same book. Narg - 15/07/2010 10:10:16 PM 1303 Views
Re: RJ finally got a villain right, then killed him in the same book. scooter - 16/07/2010 03:01:30 AM 757 Views
Ehhh that's a cop-out. And not even totally accurate. beetnemesis - 16/07/2010 08:27:19 AM 599 Views
My view exactly. Shannow - 16/07/2010 08:42:47 AM 606 Views
I agree. *NM* Etzel - 16/07/2010 09:33:59 AM 189 Views
Yes, basically. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/07/2010 01:36:13 PM 534 Views
The Forsaken are not THE villain(s), they are cannon fodder! Cannoli - 19/07/2010 04:16:04 AM 656 Views
And that's why they're crappy villains orius - 19/07/2010 07:24:05 AM 455 Views
Cannoli misses the point. The Forsaken are all villains. It is the Dark One that is the true evil RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/07/2010 04:01:34 PM 552 Views
The Forsaken are henchmen. Like the eels in The Little Mermaid or the hyenas in The Lion King Cannoli - 20/07/2010 03:14:37 AM 558 Views
Absolutely correct, but you miss the point. Lord Haart - 20/07/2010 02:48:22 PM 438 Views
Exactly. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/07/2010 04:08:22 PM 389 Views
My point is simply that you are mistaking their place in the hierarchy Cannoli - 20/07/2010 11:46:52 PM 494 Views
No, I'm not. And you just proved that you missed the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/07/2010 03:10:04 PM 415 Views
No Sidious - 19/07/2010 08:01:03 PM 466 Views
I'll call your "no" and raise you a "WTH?" Nameless Ashaman - 19/07/2010 08:44:19 PM 439 Views
I'll raise your WTH and give you a WTF Sidious - 19/07/2010 09:24:04 PM 508 Views
Re: I'll raise your WTH and give you a WTF Cannoli - 20/07/2010 02:44:22 AM 554 Views
The Dark One is the threat. He is the enemy from whom the world needs saving, NOT the Forsaken Cannoli - 20/07/2010 02:35:48 AM 549 Views
Amen and Amen scooter - 21/07/2010 03:40:11 AM 517 Views
Re: The Dark One is the threat. He is the enemy from whom the world needs saving, NOT the Forsaken Sidious - 21/07/2010 05:29:51 AM 477 Views
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