Where did we find out that Taim already knew Travelling?
When Rand showed him how to make a gateway and Taim refers to it as Travelling. I know that happend in LoC, but it just adds more weight to the argument that Bashere took ninethousand Cavalry with him on an obvious fake hunt for Taim.
Knowing what Travelling is does not equal knowing how to do it. I'm not saying it's impossible that Taim already knew the weaves, since his backstory and motivations have yet to be revealed (i.e. when we met him he could have been anything from a fully-trained disciple of Ishamael to a darkfriend wilder who can channel to a relatively good man who had not yet been turned to the shadow), but you can't say for a fact that he did.
I guess it doesn't really matter if the Navy-Seal can teleport or not, when "running" from a 5 year old girl with a water-pistol. You know it's bogus to assume a 5 year old would go hunting a Navy-Seal.. or that a Navy-Seal would actually run from her.
As we saw in TEotW alone, where one male channeler who doesn't even know a tenth of what he is doing, single-handeldy decimating a Trolloc army with hunderds of Fades that dwarfed it's opposition, it's beyond stupid to go hunting a male channeler with some cavalry.
As we saw in TEotW alone, where one male channeler who doesn't even know a tenth of what he is doing, single-handeldy decimating a Trolloc army with hunderds of Fades that dwarfed it's opposition, it's beyond stupid to go hunting a male channeler with some cavalry.
Whether or not it is a good idea to hunt a channeler with 9,000 cavalry is irrelevant. Bashere was ordered to do so by his sovereign. Perhaps it's because that task was so dangerous that he decided to join Rand.
Besides, it's not actually impossible to take out a channeler with regular troops. You just need to avoid doing stupid things like lining up in tight ranks and charging across an open field. There are numerous examples in the books of channelers being threatened by or concerned about the threat of archers. A cagey commander (like say, Bashere, one of the "great captains" of the westlands) can probably find a way to create the necessary favourable tactical situation. Losses will be high, but that would be considered acceptable to take out such a dangerous false dragon.
Also, IIRC, Bashere presents himself to Rand in the scene before Asmodean is killed.
Perfect timing, wouldn't you say? I don't see your point at all.
It's actually the point I'm trying to make;
Bashere was dropped off via Gateway when Rand was staring at Avi/Mat/Asmo.
I think Asmodean is killed as Bashere and Rand speak.
Perfect...ly stupid timing, maybe. I mean, what, Moridin gates Bashere in and then waits around with his gate open for twenty minutes?
Even IF Bashere is indeed a DF and servant of Ishy (which I don't believe for a second), why would Ishy bring him in to the palace via a Gateway anyway? Why take the chance that someone would notice that Bashere never came through the palace entrance and put two and two together? It's a pointless risk. There's absolutely no reason for Bashere not to enter Caemlyn normally.
I'm also pretty sure that Ishamael's (or anyone's) resurrection had not been revealed by then, making Moridin anything but an "intuitively obvious" suspect to the readers.
That's such a silly argument to be honest.You're telling me it wasn't 'intuitively obvious' that the arch-nemesis of the Dragon would somehow return?
There's loads of hints in all the books up untill the end of the Fires of Heaven.
Just the very name of book 4 is a big clue in and by itself that "the Shadow rises" again.
Or just the last lines of the very very first chapter of the whole story:
On the island, the air shimmered and coalesced. The black-clad man stood staring at the fiery mountain rising out of the plain. His face twisted in rage and contempt.
“You cannot escape so easily, Dragon. It is not done between us. It will not be done until the end of time.”
“You cannot escape so easily, Dragon. It is not done between us. It will not be done until the end of time.”
Or are you suggesting that Ishamael is lying to himsel this time?
Was RJ just joking there?
Those are just two examples.
It has always been just about the Dragon and the Nae'Blis.
If you understand what it means to be Nae'Blis, that is.
Would you call it 'intuitively obvious' that if the Dragon (Reborn) were to die in ToM, that he would 'somehow' (it doesn't really matter how) find his way back into the story to be there for Tarmon Gai'don?
It's the same for the Nae'Blis.
And you accuse me of making silly arguments?
The denoument of TDR demonstrated that Ishy had an inflated sense of his own self-importance and several characters speculated that he was starting to believe he was the DO. His claims in the first three books, even those he made to himself, were discredited. There was nothing in TSR or TFOH to suggest otherwise. To the reader of the series to that point, Ishy was dead, and there were no obvious clues that he would return.
It doesn't matter at all if we can call it Transmigration yet at the end of TFoH. Or that we know the face of the Nae'Blis. We know that the Shadow had Risen. It's 'intuitively obvious' he's around and pulling the strings of His puppets.
To be honest, I'm not even sure the term "Nae'Blis" had been thrown about by the end of TFOH, but even if it had been, there was no reason to think of it as anything more than "Senior Chosen". Given that the Chosen were starting to drop like flies and were clearly in the throes of villain decay by that point, the title wouldn't seem like such a big deal.
By now we have a much better picture of Ishy's significance as the only Forsaken who really "gets it" and how that makes him far more of a counterpart to Rand, but that wasn't as clear back when TFOH came out. Back then he was just one more dead Forsaken.
And it's more then obvious that Bashere is one of those puppets by his talk with Rand alone.
There is nothing in Bashere's conversation with Rand that makes him appear to be a Darkfriend (although I admit that there's nothing there that proves he isn't, either).
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