Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal
Ryan Send a noteboard - 13/08/2010 06:51:45 AM
Then why did LTT/Rand not do that? Why ask Nynaeve to perform an extremely delicate operation that could fail due to her lack of knowledge and which took nearly an hour, when all that was required was a quick gateway next to a stedding and pushing the boy inside?
Simple answer: Probably because LTT/Rand didn't think of it - we don't even know it that would work, hence why I said it would be an experiment. LTT/Rand did not do a lot of things that would clear the rogues' gallery out very quickly for the simple reason of plot convenience. Who knows? Maybe being in a stedding would have temporarily removed it, but it would be re-established upon exiting? No idea.
Did SH know exactly what orders Elza had been given?
Look what happened to Jain Farstrider. He was out of it, until he entered the stedding, and was better, thus the Ogier assuming Aes Sedai work.
No. Which is sort of why I would think that if he had the ability to instantly remove a weave, he'd have used it in that instance. I think he asked Semirhage to remove it for the same reason Rand asked Nynaeve; both possess a Healing Talent with a high degree of skill to back it up, so it might be the case that not every channeler can remove a Compulsion weave without destroying the victims' mind. Dealing with thoughts and chemical balances is probably more complicated than a more direct type of weave.
We don't know if instantly nullifying it would have killed Elza. She was under a very weak form of Compulsion that was nowhere near as powerful or skillfully wrought as those used on Graendal's victims. If anything, the fact that Elza appeared dazed may have more to do with Semirhages' need to inflict pain while Healing than anything else.
I should add that BS has also said or atleast implied that SH's power cutting trick only works on those who have sworn themselves to the shadow. This would mean that even if SH can disrupt tied off weaves of darkfriends, he would not have been able to do so for Cadsuanes weaves since she has not sworn to the shadow. He needed Elza to go and break the wards. The compulsion on Elza was made by a DF (Verin) yes, but again instantly nullifying it could have killed Elza as was said earlier. Bottom line is that as of yet, we don't know the full extent of SH's abilities.
We don't know if instantly nullifying it would have killed Elza. She was under a very weak form of Compulsion that was nowhere near as powerful or skillfully wrought as those used on Graendal's victims. If anything, the fact that Elza appeared dazed may have more to do with Semirhages' need to inflict pain while Healing than anything else.
The past is just that, the past. You can only truly live by looking to the future!
Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 09:49:32 AM
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it's been discussed a lot
- 12/08/2010 11:00:06 AM
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Really? All the questions it poses?
- 12/08/2010 11:06:11 AM
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Havent seen this exact discussion before either.. *NM*
- 12/08/2010 11:06:45 AM
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see my further reply =oP I'm 13% less of a jerkface than it looks *NM*
- 12/08/2010 12:10:28 PM
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Re: Really? All the questions it poses?
- 12/08/2010 11:56:26 AM
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not really
- 12/08/2010 02:08:41 PM
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Yep, pretty much. Otherwise he could have just nullified the Compulsions' lingering effect on Elza
- 12/08/2010 02:11:24 PM
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As demonstrated in TGS...
- 12/08/2010 05:27:21 PM
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We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal with that weave
- 12/08/2010 07:16:30 PM
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Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal
- 12/08/2010 08:21:32 PM
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Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal
- 12/08/2010 08:32:41 PM
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Re: We don't know that about Compulsion - we are talking about 2 different ways to deal
- 13/08/2010 06:51:45 AM
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I replied to the topic before you edited to ask all the extra questions 
- 12/08/2010 12:08:27 PM
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- 12/08/2010 12:08:27 PM
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Both Bair and Sorilea knew
- 12/08/2010 10:33:59 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 02:43:23 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 05:42:00 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 08:06:25 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 08:20:44 PM
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Re: Who betrayed Cadsuane by stealing the male adam and CK?
- 12/08/2010 08:32:21 PM
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Who most wanted to get rid of Cadsuane BESIDES Rand?
- 12/08/2010 09:01:44 PM
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Can't be Sorilea
- 13/08/2010 11:50:53 AM
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Re: Can't be Sorilea
- 13/08/2010 08:46:02 PM
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Re: Can't be Sorilea
- 14/08/2010 12:00:40 AM
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Re: Can't be Sorilea
- 14/08/2010 12:34:18 AM
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Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves
- 15/08/2010 01:53:27 AM
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Re: Not necessarily, Sorilea still could have watched Cadsuane untie the weaves
- 15/08/2010 12:53:42 PM
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I think that Couladin was a dark friend.
- 13/08/2010 03:00:20 AM
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I'd be surprised, actually.
- 13/08/2010 05:34:13 AM
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Couladin and Asmodean
- 13/08/2010 08:33:38 AM
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Re: Couladin and Asmodean
- 13/08/2010 04:45:21 PM
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Couldin isn't intolerant. He's murderously xenophobic.
- 14/08/2010 05:45:15 PM
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Almost ALL of the Aiel were murderously Xenophobic before Rand united them. *NM*
- 15/08/2010 01:00:37 PM
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Noone betrayed 'Cadsuane'-That was just a happy side affect (for the DO)
- 15/08/2010 08:22:59 AM
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*Sigh* it is 2:20 AM so this is a double post. (You can ignore this one) *NM* *NM*
- 15/08/2010 08:23:49 AM
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