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Personally, I think BS's statement is suspect, and open to lots of interpretation... Shannow Send a noteboard - 17/08/2010 07:20:42 PM

I disagree. Someryn needs to be one of Jordan's six women who are stronger than Nynaeve, unless we are unaware of one. That leaves Lanfear, Cyndane, Graendal, Alivia, Sharina and Someryn.

The debate is built on a house of cards. We have three statements about Someryn and all they conclude is that she's weaker than Graendal but still stronger than any woman in the Tower. Actually placing her somewhere on the strength tree is absurd. The only reason I think she's stronger than Nynaeve is because she's the only potential candidate who fits BS's abovementioned statement about women relative to Nynaeve. All other women are confirmed to be weaker or equal to Nynaeve.


Firstly, just how much stronger do you think Graendal is than Nynaeve and Semirhage, if Someryn fits in between them on the strength scale?

Secondly, BS gave a rather strange answer to the Nynaeve strength ranking question.

He says that there are only 6 women stronger than Nynaeve on the strength ladder. He clearly cannot remember who the 6 are, but was very certain of the fact that there are exactly 6 women above her.

This leads me to believe that there was some significance attached to the fact that Nynaeve was the seventh strongest female of all. In other words, it stood out that she was in seventh position, but the names of those above her was not necessarily used in order to calculate her position.

To put it differently, her POSITION was known to BS, rather than which specific channelers are stronger than her.

This came through very clearly in the way he answered the question relating to Nynaeve's comparative strength to Semirhage.

BS did not know for a fact that Semirhage is not one of the women in the 6 places above Nynaeve. If he knew the identities of the 6, he could have said unequivocally that Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage. But he did not say that. Instead, he kind of hesitated, mused on his general impression of the two women, and ventured a guess that he is PRETTY SURE that Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage. He then tempered it by saying that they are very close.

Now, that is NOT the answer you give if you know that Semirhage is not one of the 6 names above Nynaeve. His ignorance - at the time of answering that question - of the exact identities of the 6 women above Nynaeve is highlighted by the fact that he placed Cyndane WAY below Nynaeve. If he knew the names of the 6, he would have known that Cyndane was one of them.

So in conclusion: BS just has a general impression that Semirhage and Nynaeve should be very close to one another in strength. At the time of answering that question, he did not know for a fact that Semirhage is not perhaps one of the 6 women ranked above Nynaeve.

So the 6 above Nynaeve could very well be:

Lanfear
Cyndane
Graendal
Alivia
Sharina
Semirhage

It does not by default have to include Someryn. And even if Semirhage proves not to be on that list, it could be Talaan, or even some as yet unrevealed female. I don't think the requirement for 6 women stronger than Nynaeve automatically places Someryn above Nynaeve.
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Who are the top 5 strongest light side female channelers? - 17/08/2010 08:27:54 AM 1307 Views
Re: Who are the top 5 strongest light side female channelers? - 17/08/2010 09:09:43 AM 822 Views
Tamela and Viendre are both stronger than Egwene. - 17/08/2010 10:22:35 AM 768 Views
Alivia, Sharina, Someryn, Nynaeve, Talaan *NM* - 17/08/2010 12:42:38 PM 611 Views
I'm not convinced by the recent trend to place Someryn so high... - 17/08/2010 02:52:15 PM 682 Views
Re: I'm not convinced by the recent trend to place Someryn so high... - 17/08/2010 03:40:16 PM 707 Views
No, it just means there is a big gap between Egwene/Tamela and Moghedien...EDIT: Strength table - 17/08/2010 03:52:47 PM 659 Views
Hmm - 17/08/2010 06:07:53 PM 449 Views
Personally, I think BS's statement is suspect, and open to lots of interpretation... - 17/08/2010 07:20:42 PM 511 Views
No I don't think so - 18/08/2010 08:12:51 PM 431 Views
Didn't RJ already give us this answer? - 17/08/2010 04:30:24 PM 522 Views
No, BS said there are 6 female channelers stronger than Nynaeve. No details. - 17/08/2010 04:31:59 PM 595 Views
If there are 6 total females above Nynaeve.. then 3 must be.. - 17/08/2010 09:06:29 PM 638 Views
Not quite - 17/08/2010 10:46:48 PM 464 Views
Sorry, I disagree somewhat. - 17/08/2010 11:07:58 PM 398 Views
yes and no - 18/08/2010 01:44:34 PM 497 Views
Re: Not quite - 18/08/2010 07:56:49 PM 447 Views
no it says there is nothing definitive - 19/08/2010 12:25:35 AM 437 Views
Are any of the Forsaken stronger than Alivia - is guess Lanfear/Cyndane? *NM* - 18/08/2010 03:50:59 AM 231 Views
I don't think we know for sure because.. - 18/08/2010 05:03:14 AM 411 Views
Well Cyndane certainly seems to think Lanfear is/was stronger than Alivia... - 21/08/2010 08:28:00 AM 423 Views
Actually Cyndane wasn't close enough to tell - 21/08/2010 05:33:50 PM 434 Views
Why don't you just bloody read the article over at the 13th Depository? - 18/08/2010 06:17:48 PM 682 Views
What a crock - 18/08/2010 07:55:42 PM 463 Views

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