Active Users:357 Time:29/04/2024 01:55:33 AM
Yeah... DomA Send a noteboard - 01/09/2010 02:58:36 AM
It seems like the most logical explanation... that RJ came up with the Arthurian "Three in a boat, and he who is dead yet lives" bit first, and worked backwards from there. Though as I'm not sure who the three women in the Arthurian legends are other than Morgan le Fay, and as some versions seem to have four women, further analysis is difficult. ;) It's tempting to equate Elayne with Guinevere and Min with Morgan le Fay, but as Guinevere isn't supposed to have been in that boat in any version, as far as I'm aware, that might be a stretch, and in any case it's not immediately clear who Aviendha would have to be then.


A constant with Jordan is that he always twisted things around rather than mirroring myth. There's tons of characters inspired by Arthuriana, but Jordan shifted everything around. The character named after Guinevere (Egwene), is Queen of Tar Valon and a "fairy". Rand is shared by two more "fairies" and Min, who is a prophetess, so a kind of magician too. The motif of the dead King being brought to the Fairy Queen of Avalon by a bunch of fairies is there, but their relationship to the King isn't from "classic" (late medieval and christianized) Arthuriana. As you mentionned (though not in this sense), Jordan went backward from there. The celtic myths that inspired this aspect of Arthuriana had these women as three "wives" of the dead hero (and in Irish myth specifically it gets more complex because the three women are actually aspects/avatars of a single female goddess and three different goddesses at once).

I'm not sure Jordan worked this "backward" in the sense you mean, though. It's as plausible that he decided on the triad of wives first, and later on settled that it's those three who would be in the Arthurian "dead king" boat scene. Strictly speaking, in classical Arthurian things, these three women would have been more properly played by Moiraine/Cadsuane/Nynaeve who variously played his three fairy helpers yet somewhat antagonists through the story. In quite a few versions, the King's Queen is dead and in the boat going to Avalon as well.

As for a fourth women, we'll see... this isn't because it's the three women with Rand who are important that they are necessarily alone in the boat with Rand. Many have theorized that there won't be any "real" boat, that the boat is actually Egwene's Skimming platform. If so, she'll be the fourth, but her role will be more remote. Egwene may well have had a dream which heralds/completes this scene, the one where she sees a man on what seems to be a funeral cot in a tent, and this man (perhaps already in a shroud, she didn't say) isn't dead and it's important that he doesn't die, but outside the funeral pyre is already being built and some people are already cheering the man's death while others cry in mourning. It sounds like Egwene might be the one of the group who will know Rand isn't really dead (though Aviendha ought to remember the WO's dreams she relayed to Rand, while Min's viewing's interpretation suggests she believes Rand in the bier is dead, and the three women around the bier are mourning him).

We'll see. That scene could very well happen at the climax of the next book (more of Jordan twisting things around, the Arthurian Cyle ending there), after some mega Arthurian armaggedon at Caemlyn (Camlann, Camelot). We know the characters are set for a reunion at the "event" which starts the LB proper. It could well be heading for something like this, as there's nothing much Arthurian in what we can puzzle out for the LB -sealing of the Bore, the Horn sounded etc. That is inspired by other sources altogether, and it may be that Jordan planned to "wrap" the Arthurian stuff in Caemlyn as TG starts. Rand's epiphany in TGS was "surprising", in the sense it comes very early in the finale. It could well be that the Light is heading for a major road bump soon after (timeline-wise, so at the end of TOM), and that "new Rand" will be "dead" and out of commission for a while (ie: healing), to return to the world in the nick of things further down the line, for the finale of the Last Battle, or to begin to turn the tide midway into it.
Reply to message
Why does Rand have 3 wives? - 31/08/2010 05:26:04 PM 2057 Views
obviously... - 31/08/2010 05:30:32 PM 1609 Views
Re: Why does Rand have 3 wives? - 31/08/2010 06:26:44 PM 2234 Views
Jordan had some sexual fantasies to work out. - 31/08/2010 06:36:54 PM 1380 Views
because he wants to make a lot of babies obvi.... *NM* - 31/08/2010 07:16:04 PM 595 Views
Re: Why does Rand have 3 wives? - 31/08/2010 07:18:42 PM 1164 Views
I actually like Aviendha, but I also think her role could be combined or minimized - 31/08/2010 08:02:52 PM 1050 Views
Re: Why does Rand have 3 wives? - 01/09/2010 05:02:19 AM 1208 Views
I am approaching this from the angle of the overall story and structure - 31/08/2010 07:32:54 PM 1298 Views
agreed. *NM* - 31/08/2010 10:06:08 PM 486 Views
elayne and aviendha are buffers for min - 31/08/2010 08:13:54 PM 1510 Views
but seriously... - 31/08/2010 08:15:33 PM 980 Views
I've always looked at it as... - 31/08/2010 10:09:10 PM 1184 Views
I think it must have to do with the Arthurian legends. - 01/09/2010 01:26:31 AM 1209 Views
Yeah... - 01/09/2010 02:58:36 AM 1181 Views
Huh? - 02/09/2010 06:18:08 AM 1109 Views
I think you misunderstand. - 02/09/2010 02:44:16 PM 969 Views
He does - 03/09/2010 03:03:17 AM 1034 Views
Re: He does - 03/09/2010 12:48:02 PM 1053 Views
Re: He does - 04/09/2010 12:16:34 AM 1048 Views
My favorite part. - 08/09/2010 05:41:31 AM 881 Views
Morgan le Fay = Meirin IMO, not Min. *NM* - 01/09/2010 05:05:25 AM 549 Views
RJ tried to have his cake and eat it too. - 01/09/2010 02:17:47 AM 1267 Views
Re: Why does Rand have 3 wives? - 01/09/2010 02:23:49 AM 16685 Views
Well, RJ dated two women at once - and they were cool with it - but there's more - 01/09/2010 02:57:38 AM 1328 Views
Re: Well, RJ dated two women at once - and they were cool with it - but there's more - 01/09/2010 03:22:18 AM 1199 Views
yes, agreed on all points *NM* - 01/09/2010 11:46:21 PM 507 Views
Re: Why does Rand have 3 wives? - 02/09/2010 10:37:06 PM 1115 Views
SCHWAAANNNGGG!!!! *NM* - 03/09/2010 02:38:20 AM 489 Views
Because sometimes two of the wives have a headache. *NM* - 06/09/2010 02:59:19 PM 464 Views

Reply to Message