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Look at it these ways newyorkersedai Send a noteboard - 08/09/2010 02:47:46 AM
Anyone who wants to criticize or mock Rand's behavior has a bit of an open invitation to do so. Why? Cause Rand's taken his misfortune with a lot of bad grace. Sure, he's got great reason to be surly, angry, touchy, jumpy... But I'd say objective observers would say Rand does mope and engage in some self-pity (or self-hate). With frequency.

Sometimes it genuinely sounds like whining. It doesn't sound kind to write that, since Rand has been through harsh, cruel experiences in every single book (I think). Going nuts all the while, too. It's an unfair comparison, but Homer Simpson's quick turns to positivity make all his mood-swings and nastiness easier to pass over. It's just easier for folks to gravitate to.

Rand's darkness, for me, almost never makes for rewarding reading. I guess, perhaps, he's always been prone to being a wet blanket, but it usually happened (IIRC) when he took real responsibility upon himself while still being such a n00b at everything but farming.

Of course, Rand takes himself so bloody seriously - to such a great degree - that it also makes it both easy and fun to mock him. Even if you don't approve of the results, you have to admit that sort of thing is a joke magnet.

On the other hand: Egwene can often be positive. Maybe what makes her seem to have the upper hand here is that she hasn't spent nearly as much time being actively negative; certainly not enough to compare to Rand. Then again, the book's about him, so he gets more time. And no one should ignore the fact that she hasn't been through nearly as much constant torment as al'Thor.

It's easy to prefer Egwene when writing something like this because she does fight hard for the Light, and it doesn't get so damn dreary. But Egwene can be two-faced, double-standard bearing, over-proud, unsympathetic, judgmental, self-indulgent, self-aggrandizing, megalomaniacal, and astronomically whiny... But I like that she *does* make a point of openly going to people for help,. Even if it'll be fishy, like her study with the WO...

If you're going to look at warts and all, Egwene still conveys a good (if high-maintenance) attitude. The Gawyn thing is just odd, partly he's into her so hard. I can't judge her attitude toward Gawyn because (a) he sort of has a big creepy side to him (and the "kill Rand" thing) and (b) I haven't liked him for years now.

No biggie either way - real people got worse flaws than either of them.

PS - Rand definitely had Forsaken actively helping him - like Asmo's blocking that Gateway on McLovin's Eve. That sort of thing was unnecessary enough to count as a blessing. Asmo also helped keep Rand alive after a fight on Telescope Tower. There was also Lanfear. Does anyone doubt that if Mesaana grabbed Rand in book 2, Lanfear wouldn't spring him? The Wonder Girls wouldn't even have time to form a plan!
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Rand vs Egwene... one-line scenarios - 05/09/2010 05:21:08 PM 2819 Views
loled at every one *NM* - 05/09/2010 05:35:03 PM 686 Views
Good for some sunday night relief I hope *NM* - 05/09/2010 09:51:10 PM 628 Views
Hmm... I don't think you want to read the rebuttal to that *NM* - 05/09/2010 06:07:16 PM 847 Views
True - 05/09/2010 09:52:09 PM 1182 Views
But you've already read my post *NM* - 05/09/2010 11:53:58 PM 703 Views
I only used one eye *NM* - 06/09/2010 11:52:19 AM 599 Views
Still counts *NM* - 06/09/2010 03:06:44 PM 632 Views
*NM* - 06/09/2010 01:02:44 AM 587 Views
Corrected for the sake of accuracy . - 05/09/2010 06:51:58 PM 1256 Views
Nonsense... - 05/09/2010 09:56:41 PM 1063 Views
Gotta love Dark Templar - 05/09/2010 10:14:00 PM 1162 Views
That's partly why I didn't post a reply poking at her. *NM* - 05/09/2010 11:56:15 PM 702 Views
Poking whom? - 06/09/2010 01:20:32 AM 1116 Views
Egwene. I thought that was implied *NM* - 06/09/2010 04:03:25 AM 618 Views
Nice. *NM* - 06/09/2010 02:37:38 PM 618 Views
nice *NM* - 05/09/2010 08:12:31 PM 567 Views
*drumroll* *NM* - 05/09/2010 09:56:54 PM 645 Views
That whole post is stupid, you can't compare Rand's ordeal to Egwene's. - 05/09/2010 10:14:43 PM 1228 Views
its a joke, shhhh *NM* - 05/09/2010 10:36:28 PM 813 Views
No, it's clever and tongue-in-cheek. *NM* - 05/09/2010 11:04:26 PM 635 Views
OMG - 06/09/2010 11:48:48 AM 1171 Views
I know, appalling, right? - 09/09/2010 07:27:40 AM 1073 Views
Re: I know, appalling, right? - 09/09/2010 07:41:02 AM 1117 Views
He doesn't think so, why should we? - 09/09/2010 03:40:25 PM 1013 Views
Because he can't lose - 09/09/2010 05:21:50 PM 1046 Views
I think Rand has far better odds of dying than Egwene. - 09/09/2010 05:56:07 PM 1059 Views
very nicely done - 05/09/2010 11:06:24 PM 1021 Views
Re: very nicely done - 06/09/2010 04:28:29 AM 1057 Views
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Revised for accurracy, improved characterization and humor - 06/09/2010 12:57:35 AM 1448 Views
the humor here is that you think you understand accurracy, improvement, characterization or humor! *NM* - 06/09/2010 01:56:57 AM 587 Views
I'm having to settle for being right. Better than being president... *NM* - 06/09/2010 03:47:52 AM 679 Views
I'm trying to resist the urge to make a Bush joke. *NM* - 06/09/2010 08:21:15 AM 623 Views
Why resist ... he WAS a joke! *NM* - 06/09/2010 04:31:06 PM 639 Views
BWAHAHAHAHA ... thanks to our last president you are right! *NM* - 06/09/2010 04:30:00 PM 608 Views
Re: Revised for accurracy, improved characterization and humor - 06/09/2010 11:51:12 AM 1192 Views
seriously. - 06/09/2010 05:12:08 PM 1141 Views
If a few score Yellows can't handle the disease issue, what point to the Aes Sedai at all? - 06/09/2010 10:17:44 PM 1265 Views
Re: If a few score Yellows can't handle the disease issue, what point to the Aes Sedai at all? - 08/09/2010 08:30:35 AM 1031 Views
Like Egwene understands the health implications! It's all about the aesthetics for her. - 09/09/2010 12:35:57 AM 1121 Views
Well, she was an apprentice wisdom with Nynaeve for a while - 09/09/2010 05:33:25 AM 1058 Views
An idiot would understand the implications - 09/09/2010 07:38:57 AM 1031 Views
and it's not just Egwene! - 11/09/2010 02:11:16 PM 955 Views
Cannoli's just got huge blinders... - 11/09/2010 04:59:50 PM 1161 Views
You forgot one very important point - 11/09/2010 06:44:32 PM 1105 Views
As to that... - 11/09/2010 08:47:26 PM 899 Views
after dealing with his bushwa waaay longer than you, I'm content to ignore him *NM* - 11/09/2010 11:29:27 PM 609 Views
Remember the old times? - 12/09/2010 03:35:43 AM 1069 Views
I think we could use - 12/09/2010 10:40:47 AM 1028 Views
ugh ... please don't ask for that! - 12/09/2010 02:25:32 PM 997 Views
Huh. Now that I think of it... - 14/09/2010 06:51:59 AM 967 Views
all of you are most correct! - 11/09/2010 07:53:44 PM 1023 Views
When exactly have I ever given someone else a pass for "necessary actions" I blamed Egwene for? - 14/09/2010 02:08:29 AM 1224 Views
A few days back... - 14/09/2010 04:03:41 AM 1103 Views
Yes, those are completely different scenarios. - 14/09/2010 05:36:30 AM 1538 Views
Misinterpretations... - 14/09/2010 07:26:11 AM 994 Views
How can you claim Verin merely "helped" Egwene? - 15/09/2010 06:35:47 AM 1462 Views
Re: Cannoli's just got huge blinders... - 17/09/2010 06:42:39 AM 1286 Views
Read his replies in this thread... - 17/09/2010 06:48:20 AM 1090 Views
So your defense of Egwene is to refute her accusation against her rival? - 14/09/2010 02:12:22 AM 1098 Views
Double Post. See below. *NM* - 14/09/2010 04:03:55 AM 626 Views
How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt? - 14/09/2010 04:06:15 AM 1003 Views
Re: How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt? - 14/09/2010 06:58:17 AM 1060 Views
I give up. - 14/09/2010 07:44:57 AM 1136 Views
lol *NM* - 06/09/2010 02:46:23 PM 558 Views
I laughed very hard at this part: - 09/09/2010 07:48:34 PM 1002 Views
Somehow I think of the lyrics from "Defying Gravity", which aren't quite one line - 07/09/2010 04:07:09 PM 1081 Views
Look at it these ways - 08/09/2010 02:47:46 AM 1152 Views
People are taking this way too seriously. - 08/09/2010 06:33:28 AM 1093 Views
no argument there! *NM* - 09/09/2010 05:08:25 AM 343 Views
Re: Look at it these ways - 09/09/2010 07:26:37 AM 988 Views
It really comes down to the direction RJ went with his personality - 09/09/2010 03:08:36 PM 935 Views
This post was funny. Your responders are largely idiots who need a sense of humor. *NM* - 08/09/2010 03:56:07 AM 726 Views
I really hate self-fulfilling prophecy. *NM* - 08/09/2010 06:34:45 AM 694 Views
Hee. <3 *NM* - 09/09/2010 10:14:55 PM 632 Views
Re: Rand vs Egwene... one-line scenarios - 10/09/2010 06:28:50 AM 897 Views

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