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How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 14/09/2010 04:06:15 AM
You say Rand is above criticism for not listening to Logain about Taim because he has no reason to believe Taim is a traitor. Yet here you are, blaming Egwene for not divining that Elaida made a tepid attempt to have the streets cleaned!


In the first place, she's not really a ruler (or shouldn't be, which is the Tower's fault, not hers), and in the second place, she hasn't had to do anything as a ruler yet.

Huh? Eradicating the Blacks among the Rebels wasn't the act of a ruler? Or sending Nynaeve and Elayne to hunt for the Bowl of the Winds? What about sending Logain to help Rand? Refusing a rescue from the Tower to ensure that the Rebels and the Loyalists won't be irreparably split? Organizing the defense against the Seanchan? Making Sitters and Sisters from various Ajahs work towards healing the rifts Alviarin caused?

All of her actions have been about political power and opportunism.

Yes, because ruling and political power are polar opposites. She led the Rebels, initially in name only, later on in fact. Within the Tower, she did what Elaida should have been doing as Amyrlin.

I have criticized her policies, because she hasn't had any yet.

Ignoring the factual error in there, you do realize this is our point, right? You criticize Egwene with no basis. If you can criticize Egwene's policies while believing she has had no policies, you can make no claim to rational argument.

The whole book has been about her campaign for office.

No, it has been about her winning a civil war as the leader of the rebel faction. Read the damn books!
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Rand vs Egwene... one-line scenarios Sidious - 05/09/2010 05:21:08 PM 2892 Views
loled at every one *NM* car'a'aman - 05/09/2010 05:35:03 PM 709 Views
Good for some sunday night relief I hope *NM* Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:51:10 PM 655 Views
Hmm... I don't think you want to read the rebuttal to that *NM* BlackAdder - 05/09/2010 06:07:16 PM 874 Views
True Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:52:09 PM 1235 Views
But you've already read my post *NM* BlackAdder - 05/09/2010 11:53:58 PM 729 Views
I only used one eye *NM* Sidious - 06/09/2010 11:52:19 AM 624 Views
Still counts *NM* BlackAdder - 06/09/2010 03:06:44 PM 654 Views
*NM* Cannoli - 06/09/2010 01:02:44 AM 609 Views
You're being a reverse Cannoli. And at least he has a point and is sometimes amusing *NM* Lordling - 05/09/2010 06:33:55 PM 708 Views
Re: You're being a reverse Cannoli. And at least he has a point and is sometimes amusing Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:54:29 PM 1315 Views
Re: You're being a reverse Cannoli. And at least he has a point and is sometimes amusing Cannoli - 06/09/2010 03:50:44 AM 1241 Views
Wow, that's a really strident and succinct opinion. I hope you get paid by the snark! *NM* newyorkersedai - 05/09/2010 11:07:18 PM 1173 Views
Well, someone has to stand up for Rand, yes? Lordling - 06/09/2010 07:10:36 PM 1104 Views
Corrected for the sake of accuracy . Fanatic-Templar - 05/09/2010 06:51:58 PM 1307 Views
Nonsense... Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:56:41 PM 1115 Views
Gotta love Dark Templar Fanatic-Templar - 05/09/2010 10:14:00 PM 1207 Views
That's partly why I didn't post a reply poking at her. *NM* BlackAdder - 05/09/2010 11:56:15 PM 728 Views
Poking whom? Phelix - 06/09/2010 01:20:32 AM 1162 Views
Egwene. I thought that was implied *NM* BlackAdder - 06/09/2010 04:03:25 AM 641 Views
Nice. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 06/09/2010 02:37:38 PM 640 Views
nice *NM* Deadsy - 05/09/2010 08:12:31 PM 592 Views
*drumroll* *NM* Sidious - 05/09/2010 09:56:54 PM 670 Views
That whole post is stupid, you can't compare Rand's ordeal to Egwene's. Lord Haart - 05/09/2010 10:14:43 PM 1279 Views
its a joke, shhhh *NM* Yunalesca - 05/09/2010 10:36:28 PM 836 Views
No, it's clever and tongue-in-cheek. *NM* newyorkersedai - 05/09/2010 11:04:26 PM 654 Views
Too bad! He has trumped any attempt to counter his arguments by calling it humor! Shut up now. *NM* Cannoli - 06/09/2010 01:00:49 AM 760 Views
OMG Sidious - 06/09/2010 11:48:48 AM 1221 Views
I know, appalling, right? Cannoli - 09/09/2010 07:27:40 AM 1127 Views
Re: I know, appalling, right? Sidious - 09/09/2010 07:41:02 AM 1163 Views
He doesn't think so, why should we? Lohikaarme - 09/09/2010 03:40:25 PM 1056 Views
Because he can't lose Sidious - 09/09/2010 05:21:50 PM 1093 Views
I think Rand has far better odds of dying than Egwene. Fanatic-Templar - 09/09/2010 05:56:07 PM 1114 Views
very nicely done newyorkersedai - 05/09/2010 11:06:24 PM 1066 Views
Re: very nicely done BlackAdder - 06/09/2010 04:28:29 AM 1102 Views
Sidious - 06/09/2010 11:49:20 AM 1045 Views
Revised for accurracy, improved characterization and humor Cannoli - 06/09/2010 12:57:35 AM 1506 Views
the humor here is that you think you understand accurracy, improvement, characterization or humor! *NM* darius_sedai - 06/09/2010 01:56:57 AM 626 Views
I'm having to settle for being right. Better than being president... *NM* Cannoli - 06/09/2010 03:47:52 AM 729 Views
I'm trying to resist the urge to make a Bush joke. *NM* Phelix - 06/09/2010 08:21:15 AM 646 Views
Why resist ... he WAS a joke! *NM* darius_sedai - 06/09/2010 04:31:06 PM 662 Views
BWAHAHAHAHA ... thanks to our last president you are right! *NM* darius_sedai - 06/09/2010 04:30:00 PM 631 Views
Re: Revised for accurracy, improved characterization and humor Sidious - 06/09/2010 11:51:12 AM 1248 Views
indeed, one of the many reasons Tar Valon was such a large and powerful trading center darius_sedai - 06/09/2010 04:33:56 PM 1245 Views
seriously. LadyLorraine - 06/09/2010 05:12:08 PM 1191 Views
If a few score Yellows can't handle the disease issue, what point to the Aes Sedai at all? Cannoli - 06/09/2010 10:17:44 PM 1322 Views
Re: If a few score Yellows can't handle the disease issue, what point to the Aes Sedai at all? Sidious - 08/09/2010 08:30:35 AM 1083 Views
Like Egwene understands the health implications! It's all about the aesthetics for her. Cannoli - 09/09/2010 12:35:57 AM 1162 Views
Well, she was an apprentice wisdom with Nynaeve for a while BlackAdder - 09/09/2010 05:33:25 AM 1111 Views
An idiot would understand the implications Sidious - 09/09/2010 07:38:57 AM 1076 Views
and it's not just Egwene! darius_sedai - 11/09/2010 02:11:16 PM 1007 Views
Cannoli's just got huge blinders... fionwe1987 - 11/09/2010 04:59:50 PM 1212 Views
I feel like this post should be bulleted and made required reading before posting on this forum *NM* Deadsy - 11/09/2010 05:11:14 PM 647 Views
What kind of pussies are you that I pose such a threat? Cannoli - 14/09/2010 02:15:12 AM 1119 Views
You forgot one very important point NaClH2O - 11/09/2010 06:44:32 PM 1163 Views
As to that... fionwe1987 - 11/09/2010 08:47:26 PM 944 Views
after dealing with his bushwa waaay longer than you, I'm content to ignore him *NM* NaClH2O - 11/09/2010 11:29:27 PM 636 Views
Remember the old times? fionwe1987 - 12/09/2010 03:35:43 AM 1111 Views
I think we could use BlackAdder - 12/09/2010 10:40:47 AM 1072 Views
ugh ... please don't ask for that! darius_sedai - 12/09/2010 02:25:32 PM 1046 Views
Huh. Now that I think of it... Fanatic-Templar - 14/09/2010 06:51:59 AM 1013 Views
all of you are most correct! darius_sedai - 11/09/2010 07:53:44 PM 1065 Views
When exactly have I ever given someone else a pass for "necessary actions" I blamed Egwene for? Cannoli - 14/09/2010 02:08:29 AM 1281 Views
A few days back... fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 04:03:41 AM 1150 Views
Yes, those are completely different scenarios. Cannoli - 14/09/2010 05:36:30 AM 1599 Views
Misinterpretations... fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 07:26:11 AM 1045 Views
How can you claim Verin merely "helped" Egwene? Cannoli - 15/09/2010 06:35:47 AM 1587 Views
Holy carp. I prefer my form of arguing. I make an *NM* post and then he calls me a name *NM* Deadsy - 15/09/2010 06:47:08 AM 582 Views
I'm not even going to bother with that anymore. *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2010 05:55:08 PM 611 Views
Re: Cannoli's just got huge blinders... orius - 17/09/2010 06:42:39 AM 1327 Views
Read his replies in this thread... fionwe1987 - 17/09/2010 06:48:20 AM 1132 Views
So your defense of Egwene is to refute her accusation against her rival? Cannoli - 14/09/2010 02:12:22 AM 1139 Views
Double Post. See below. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 04:03:55 AM 649 Views
How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt? fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 04:06:15 AM 1049 Views
Re: How was Egwene to know Elaida made a half-hearted attempt? Cannoli - 14/09/2010 06:58:17 AM 1154 Views
I give up. fionwe1987 - 14/09/2010 07:44:57 AM 1187 Views
No, I made MY point, and your refusal to admit to the slightest fault of Egwene proves MY point *NM* Cannoli - 15/09/2010 01:17:21 AM 568 Views
lol *NM* TaskmasterJack - 06/09/2010 02:46:23 PM 582 Views
So much venom. Maybe you should take a break one of these days, Cannoli. At this rate... lord-of-shadow - 08/09/2010 12:16:05 AM 1172 Views
I'm not the one posting to undercut the hero, while calling it humor to duck critical response *NM* Cannoli - 09/09/2010 12:37:07 AM 740 Views
I laughed very hard at this part: Gher - 09/09/2010 07:48:34 PM 1045 Views
Somehow I think of the lyrics from "Defying Gravity", which aren't quite one line RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/09/2010 04:07:09 PM 1130 Views
Look at it these ways newyorkersedai - 08/09/2010 02:47:46 AM 1192 Views
People are taking this way too seriously. Fanatic-Templar - 08/09/2010 06:33:28 AM 1136 Views
no argument there! *NM* newyorkersedai - 09/09/2010 05:08:25 AM 367 Views
Re: Look at it these ways Cannoli - 09/09/2010 07:26:37 AM 1035 Views
It really comes down to the direction RJ went with his personality RugbyPlayingAshaman - 09/09/2010 03:08:36 PM 980 Views
pretty cool idea. And I didn't know that about Alex the Great. Nice! *NM* newyorkersedai - 10/09/2010 12:03:36 AM 646 Views
Wow, posting from work is becoming less impressive as my stress increases. Had to fix errors *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/09/2010 10:50:07 PM 715 Views
This post was funny. Your responders are largely idiots who need a sense of humor. *NM* Dan - 08/09/2010 03:56:07 AM 746 Views
I really hate self-fulfilling prophecy. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 08/09/2010 06:34:45 AM 713 Views
Hee. <3 *NM* Dan - 09/09/2010 10:14:55 PM 658 Views
Re: Rand vs Egwene... one-line scenarios orius - 10/09/2010 06:28:50 AM 957 Views
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