A lot of those are reasons why I always thought she was alive..
fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 24/09/2010 06:10:35 PM
For example, it made no sense to me that Graendal's spies in Rand's camp (who are they? This would be an interesting question) revealed the relatively insignificant detail that Nynaeve was a great Healer, but did not mention that Rand was on edge, likely to kill women, likely to use Balefire, etc. I think RJ would have had Graendal hear all that, and figure out what Rand was up to the moment Ramshalan came to her, which would make her use of Delana and Aran'gar make sense.
Who taught Delana compulsion is an interesting question. Could it have been Moghedien, after she was tamed to Ishamael's leash? It could have been done in TAR, since we know Delana has had Dreams where Aran'gar's name was mentioned to her.
As for compulsion itself, I don't think it always works by opening the person's mind to suggestions/make them adore you. If Graendal's worst compulsion wipes out personality, it needs to do more than just make the person receptive to her suggestions. And various people like Lanfear and Sammael have confirmed that Graendal does this stuff. So that part of it I can accept. Also, Graendal does indeed have Delana and Aran'gar give Ramshalan random instructions, so there was a verbal component to it.
And while I like your outline of what should have happened, I think this works fine too. RJ may well have intended to have us spend some time thinking Graendal is dead, and Aran'gar as well, maybe, only to have us later see that this isn't the case. What Brandon got wrong wasn't the broad strokes of the way he handled this but the minutia.
Who taught Delana compulsion is an interesting question. Could it have been Moghedien, after she was tamed to Ishamael's leash? It could have been done in TAR, since we know Delana has had Dreams where Aran'gar's name was mentioned to her.
As for compulsion itself, I don't think it always works by opening the person's mind to suggestions/make them adore you. If Graendal's worst compulsion wipes out personality, it needs to do more than just make the person receptive to her suggestions. And various people like Lanfear and Sammael have confirmed that Graendal does this stuff. So that part of it I can accept. Also, Graendal does indeed have Delana and Aran'gar give Ramshalan random instructions, so there was a verbal component to it.
And while I like your outline of what should have happened, I think this works fine too. RJ may well have intended to have us spend some time thinking Graendal is dead, and Aran'gar as well, maybe, only to have us later see that this isn't the case. What Brandon got wrong wasn't the broad strokes of the way he handled this but the minutia.
mistakes sanderson makes that bug you
23/09/2010 05:38:52 PM
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Bael mentioning the Aiel Waste; characters using words that are too sophisticated or techical
23/09/2010 06:11:34 PM
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I completely agree...
23/09/2010 08:54:17 PM
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Re: I completely agree...
24/09/2010 01:57:38 AM
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Re: I completely agree...
24/09/2010 06:39:17 PM
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Oh, sh**, Moiraine! I never thought about that! The comments about her in tGS suggest you're right
26/09/2010 03:23:56 AM
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The entire Graendal scene
23/09/2010 06:27:03 PM
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I think this is the type of info that RJ never got around to revealing.
23/09/2010 08:46:51 PM
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Particularly the way he described sex. It reeked of Mormon discomfort with the topic.
24/09/2010 02:04:08 AM
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Reeked? Great word. It seemed quite in line with RJ's own dealings with the topic. *NM*
24/09/2010 03:42:28 AM
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RJ had great sexual humor--he even went a little overboard sometimes IMO
24/09/2010 11:28:25 PM
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Re: RJ had great sexual humor--he even went a little overboard sometimes IMO
25/09/2010 08:56:47 PM
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RJ said breasts all the time, but in a more clinical manner - folding arms under breasts, etc
26/09/2010 03:33:09 AM
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Actually, didn't RJ do the Forsaken infodump thing too?
24/09/2010 04:09:48 AM
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Re: Actually, didn't RJ do the Forsaken infodump thing too?
24/09/2010 05:36:23 PM
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A lot of those are reasons why I always thought she was alive..
24/09/2010 06:10:35 PM
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Re: A lot of those are reasons why I always thought she was alive..
24/09/2010 07:54:54 PM
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Re: Actually, didn't RJ do the Forsaken infodump thing too?
25/09/2010 10:02:02 AM
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Re: Actually, didn't RJ do the Forsaken infodump thing too?
25/09/2010 08:48:05 PM
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Not really a mistake, I guess
25/09/2010 09:45:54 PM
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Well...
26/09/2010 06:30:54 AM
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Thanks. I think I didn't notice it with RJ because
26/09/2010 06:35:47 AM
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