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*nods* Joel Send a noteboard - 01/10/2010 11:29:35 AM
Since I agree with your conclusion I'm just going to piggy back on your arguments a bit, if you don't mind.
Ajah rules may play a part. The Blue for example, forbid marriage (but ostensibly not sex ), and other Ajahs might either frown upon or forbid marriages or sexual relationships. I can see Red having such bans in place. Green is the only exception that we're aware of. However, since there have been debates among AS as to whether their lack of children is contributing to a decline in channeling ability, we can probably assume that at least some Ajahs in addition to the Green don't forbid sex. Ajah politics might have some role here as well, a husband and children might create divided loyalties, which the Ajahs liekly don't want.

I suspect everyone but the Greens forbids marriage, but doubt anyone bans sex. Even some Reds are known to have had sex with men, and if THEY can, anyone can. The shrinking ranks of channelers isn't, in itself, indicative either way. Theoretically, unless the Tower is finding every single woman who can channel, or be taught, and unless every single one of them attains the shawl, a Tower wide ban on sex or children would also reduce but not eliminate each generations channelers. That said, if there was an actual RULE in place in some Ajahs I expect something that important to be mentioned early in the debate about whether Aes Sedai should be bearing children to avoid culling channeling out of humanity. We've heard objections voiced, but that's never been one of them, and it would be a dealbreaker for any Ajah with a ban.
It doesn't seem to be a big problem with the Green, but they generally seem to stick with Warders and Warders are sworn to obey their AS, and she can fall back on coercing him through the bond.

Which is seriously messed up if you think about it, but I hadn't much until now. In that sense marrying ones Warder is almost like extended rape, since the wife can compel the husband to do virtually anything, but the husband has no more influence over what the wife does/n't do than she chooses to grant him, when and as long as she chooses. Not exactly a partnership of equals. Makes me really glad none of the main characters who Bonded future spouses have such controls in place, since it would make them very hard to like.
Even then, there does seem to be a largely spinster culture in the WT as a whole that tends to discourage relationships, largely due to the extended lifespan. There's repeated mentions of AS watching not just their husbands and children, but great-grandchildren and later descendants grwoing old and dying. Not necessarily specific examples of this happening, but given as a reason for why AS avoid relationships. Possibly at sometime in the past, marriages and families may have caused various difficulties to the point where the AS tried to discourage them.

Possibly modern Aes Sedai are idiots; it's pretty clear channelers having kids wasn't a big deal in the AoL, and the potential for abusing power was far greater then. Not that I'm saying you're wrong; there's ample reason to believe modern Aes Sedai are idiots.
I don't think the Oath Rod itself prevents procreation. We know that AS do (if rarely) have sex. Also, in Manetherin, the Queen was always an AS, and presumably the realm had dynastic succession. So that does indicate the likelyhood of children (though I'm unsure as to whether or not the Oath Rod was in place at point). Other AS in the past were queens or other rulers, so likely they would want dynastic succession as well. Dynastic succession doesn't necessarily need to involve having children (e.g.: the WT trying to get Moiraine on the throne of Cairhien in NS; even though she's a Blue and can't marry, she would probably either produce an heir outside marriage or be succeeded by another member of the Damodred family when her rule finally ended had she gone along with the WT's attepts to put her on the throne), but it does make it easier to secure succession.

We can't know, but it seems likely you're right. Again, Jordan's not obligated to tell us, but if the Oath Rod were known to prevent childbearing I'd EXPECT him to tell us. That's a tremendous sacrifice to ask of any woman, especially a preadolescent girl. If nothing else, at some point I'd expect any author to milk the hell out of the pathos of a dedicated and powerful young Accepted forced to choose between becoming a powerful and influential Aes Sedai vs. bearing children with the man she loves. Incidentally, Nynaeve looks forward to this, even experiences part of a possible life with Lan and their kids during her testing, and she's never been a novice, so I'd also expect her to have been told that to ever rise higher she'd have to forego children. No one seems to think it noteworthy that Elayne Sedai is visibly pregnant either.
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Does the Oath Rod destroy the urge to procreate? - 01/10/2010 07:23:43 AM 937 Views
wouldn't surprise me - 01/10/2010 08:26:49 AM 494 Views
It's more the overall culture of the AS, I think - 01/10/2010 09:12:25 AM 659 Views
agreed *NM* - 01/10/2010 10:01:21 AM 194 Views
*nods* - 01/10/2010 11:29:35 AM 576 Views
More or less agree, but with some corrections - 01/10/2010 01:34:13 PM 632 Views
BUT this didnt stop Aes Sedai in the AoL - 01/10/2010 02:58:22 PM 688 Views
Almost none of those reasons applied in the AoL, so what's your point? - 01/10/2010 03:20:59 PM 453 Views
Point is - 01/10/2010 03:33:41 PM 400 Views
Let's not forget that a pregnant woman has trouble channelling. - 01/10/2010 02:18:12 PM 423 Views
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Re: Does the Oath Rod destroy the urge to procreate? - 05/10/2010 06:35:57 PM 433 Views
Interesting...but no. - 06/10/2010 01:58:28 PM 494 Views
no but your questions do *NM* - 10/10/2010 05:38:41 PM 186 Views
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