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And how many reincarnated Forsaken had Moiraine met when she made that statement? Joel Send a noteboard - 04/10/2010 08:32:36 AM

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Everyone who dies from balefire is dead forever, according to Moridin. Every Forsaken who had died has been reincarnated except Asmodean who will 'die the final death' for betrayal. Sammael was killed by Mashadar.

I think it's a big possibility that we may see him return. The only reason we might not see him again is if there isn't enough time for the DO to find him a suitable body.

Thoughts?

Even if we treat her as omniscient as infallible, despite having examples that disprove that view, she didn't know that was possible (or at least, we have no reason to believe she did, and if she did you'd think she'd have been as careful to make sure all Forsaken die by balefire as Rand now is. ) There's still a window of opportunity unless the balefire is fairly powerful, however impractical and unlikely it is the DO will have the prior knowledge to take advantage of it. And, rightly or wrongly, I take "Sammael is toast" at face value; it would be very cheap, to me, if an author told his readers point blank that a character was dead just so he could shock them with a resurrection (and before anyone decides to scream hypocrisy, the bible makes clear as far back as the OT that Jesus would rise from the dead; it was only a shock because people didn't do their homework nor listen to Him when He said that's what would happen. )

Also, there are a lot of things we don't know about Mashadar, such as what happens to the people it consumes. Do they get spun about by the Wheel again, or do they become part of Mashadar? Could the power of Mashadar, which is the equal of the DOs at least within Shadar Logoth (hence the Cleansing) prevent Sammaels reincarnation whether or not it made him part of it?

In short, while I can't say definitively that we'll never see him again, I think the same is at least as true for statements about Be'lal, and still think he's the one who's coming back for one more round.
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Will we see Sammael again? - 03/10/2010 12:14:33 PM 1393 Views
Re: RJ said ... - 03/10/2010 12:20:44 PM 924 Views
Okay, I'll have to go look for that mashadar quote. *NM* - 03/10/2010 04:47:36 PM 297 Views
I'd like to have that quote, please? - 03/10/2010 11:42:11 PM 771 Views
Re: I'd like to have that quote, please? - 04/10/2010 01:07:24 AM 787 Views
All right, thanks. - 04/10/2010 04:57:48 AM 698 Views
Osan'gar was killed by fire *NM* - 04/10/2010 08:06:25 AM 742 Views
Sammael is toast *NM* - 03/10/2010 12:56:59 PM 430 Views
That's one of the most misattributed answers I've seen. - 03/10/2010 07:07:32 PM 766 Views
RJ made several statements, and so has BS. He is gone. Here's another: - 04/10/2010 07:29:29 PM 822 Views
Wow, that pretty much settles it *NM* - 04/10/2010 09:24:40 PM 269 Views
Aside from the "toast" comments I would have to ask the purpose of his return... - 03/10/2010 04:07:08 PM 768 Views
I think Sammael is a huge asset to the Shadow - 03/10/2010 04:47:14 PM 842 Views
Demandred serves the exact same purpose and from what we know to a higher level - 03/10/2010 07:47:48 PM 796 Views
It doesn't have to be either/or - 03/10/2010 09:09:11 PM 673 Views
Re: Will we see Sammael again? - 03/10/2010 11:39:43 PM 746 Views
No. We will never see Sammael again EVER. *NM* - 04/10/2010 04:22:35 AM 315 Views
And how many reincarnated Forsaken had Moiraine met when she made that statement? - 04/10/2010 08:32:36 AM 910 Views
Nope, Sammael has boy parts. That means he's dead for good *NM* - 05/10/2010 01:02:46 AM 302 Views
This made me smile. *NM* - 05/10/2010 08:12:34 PM 497 Views
Re: Sammael, Zombie Forsaken? - 05/10/2010 02:48:48 PM 719 Views
I think there is a possibility - 05/10/2010 04:19:36 PM 663 Views

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